
The Varsity
Puck Sports Correspondent John Ourand and a rotating cast of industry insiders take you deep inside the executive suites and owner boxes that run the entire sports business. You’ll hear interviews with everyone from players to network execs and everyone in between. The Varsity is an extension of John's private email for Puck by the same name. New episodes publish twice-weekly, every Wednesday and Sunday.
Latest episodes

May 7, 2025 • 59min
Jeff Passan’s MLB Forecast
ESPN’s MLB insider Jeff Passan joins John for a sweeping conversation about the state of the league a few months into the 2025 season. Jeff discusses MLB’s biggest red flags, the forthcoming labor and media rights negotiations, and the parity between high-payroll teams and small market teams. Then, as the specter of a new salary cap looms, Jeff warns why a 2027 lockout may be all but inevitable.
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May 4, 2025 • 51min
Connor Schell on the Sports Doc Gold Rush
Connor Schell, the visionary co-creator behind ESPN’s 30 for 30 series, joins John for a deep dive into the golden era of sports storytelling. From the evolution of prestige documentaries at HBO and ESPN to the streaming revolution led by the likes of Netflix and Apple, Connor unpacks how the landscape has shifted—and why these are the golden days for sports content. He also offers an inside look at his production company, Words + Pictures, and discusses what’s next.
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Apr 30, 2025 • 46min
The NHL’s Thin Ice
Greg Wyshynski, ESPN's senior NHL guru and former Puck Daddy writer, dives into the pressing issues facing professional hockey today. He discusses the upcoming labor deal likely to emerge during the Stanley Cup Finals and highlights the NHL's economic vulnerabilities compared to the NBA and NFL. The podcast also explores Gary Bettman's impactful leadership, the league's evolving media strategies, and the potential for team relocations. Greg gives insights on how the NHL is adapting to new audiences while balancing tradition with innovation.

Apr 27, 2025 • 39min
Kornacki After MSNBC
NBC’s data guru Steve Kornacki drops by the pod to talk about his new deal with the network, expanding his footprint across both NBC News and Sports—while also allowing flexibility to pursue other avenues, à la Stephen A. and Pat McAfee. Then he previews his coverage plans for the Kentucky Derby, riffs on the rise of sports betting, explains how he brings numbers to life, and more.
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Apr 23, 2025 • 43min
The NFL's Trust Issues
Mike Florio, a key voice in NFL coverage and creator of Pro Football Talk, shares insider insights on the NFL Draft's evolving media rights and the league's global ambitions, including a season opener in Brazil. He tackles the league's antitrust hurdles and the implications of introducing an 18-game season. Florio also discusses the $50 million lawsuit against Shannon Sharpe and reflects on Adam Silver's concerns about media's hold on the NBA, shedding light on the intricate connections between sports, legal battles, and media dynamics.

Apr 20, 2025 • 50min
The Varsity Live From SF!
Larry Baer, President and CEO of the San Francisco Giants, along with Fox Sports executive Ben Valenta, dive into the art of community-building in sports. They discuss the Giants' commitment to enhancing neighborhood connections and Fox Sports' data-driven fan engagement strategies. The conversation explores the challenges of appealing to younger audiences, finding funding for new ballparks, and the balance between spending and success in baseball. Audience questions spark lively discussions about the emotional ties between fans and their teams.

Apr 16, 2025 • 38min
Everyone Watches Women’s Sports
Sara Fischer, Axios's media reporter, dives into the excitement surrounding the rise of women’s sports, highlighting new leagues like LOVB volleyball and the Professional Women’s Hockey League. She explores major investments, such as Willow Bay and Bob Iger’s funding of Angel City FC, showcasing how women's sports rights are becoming valuable assets. The discussion also touches on the struggle of traditional networks in the streaming era and the broader implications for sports media investments.

Apr 13, 2025 • 45min
Sports TV in the McAfee Era
Jerry Silbowitz, co-head of UTA Sports and expert in media rights, shares insights on how emerging talents are bypassing traditional paths by utilizing platforms like YouTube and TikTok. He discusses how major broadcasters, including ESPN, are reinventing themselves to connect with younger audiences through innovative content creation. The conversation highlights the evolving landscape of sports media, the impact of personal branding for on-air talent, and the need for creative control as digital platforms gain traction.

Apr 9, 2025 • 47min
The ESPN Migration
Peter Schrager, a prominent sportscaster who recently transitioned from NFL Network to ESPN, shares insights on the evolving sports media landscape. He discusses the implications of streaming giants like Netflix and Amazon on the NFL's media rights by 2029. The conversation dives into the dynamics of the NFL owners meeting, the controversy surrounding the 'tush push' rule, and Schrager's personal journey in the industry. He emphasizes the importance of storytelling and collaboration in shaping the future of sports analysis.

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Apr 6, 2025 • 41min
Gary Bettman: O Canada!
Gary Bettman, the NHL Commissioner since 1992, shares insights on the league’s remarkable growth, including an $11 billion media rights deal. He discusses the success of the Four Nations tournament and its potential to spark international competition. Bettman also addresses how political factors like Trump’s trade war could influence the league's economics in Canada. Additionally, he explores the evolving landscape of hockey broadcasting and fan engagement, emphasizing the cultural ties between Canadian and American hockey fans.
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