

The Varsity
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Puck Sports Correspondent John Ourand and a rotating cast of industry insiders take you deep inside the executive suites and owner boxes that run the entire sports business. You’ll hear interviews with everyone from players to network execs and everyone in between. The Varsity is an extension of John's private email for Puck by the same name. New episodes publish twice-weekly, every Wednesday and Sunday.
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Jul 23, 2025 • 48min
The Dark Art of Stadium Financing
Sports Business Journal’s Bret McCormick joins John to chart the shifting priorities in sports ownership, from media rights deals to the increased focus on real estate development. They dig into how organizations across professional leagues are leveraging real estate for steady income, touch on the myriad challenges of financing new stadiums, predict whether the Washington Commanders will return to R.F.K. Stadium, and much more.
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Jul 20, 2025 • 50min
Michael Nathanson’s Sports Media Pulse Check
Michael Nathanson, a star analyst at Moffett Nathanson, dives into the future of sports media. He discusses the decline of linear TV and ESPN's new direct-to-consumer service, while also addressing the rise of cord-cutting. Nathanson explores the innovative trend of 'eventizing' sports for better viewer engagement. He offers insights on Netflix’s profitability versus viewer engagement issues. The conversation touches on the complexities of media deals and the evolving landscape of streaming services, making for an enlightening listen!

Jul 16, 2025 • 52min
Dude, Where’s My NASCAR?
NASCAR commissioner Steve Phelps joins John Ourand for a candid conversation about the sport’s evolving media ecosystem, including new deals with Fox, NBC, and Amazon Prime. Phelps also outlines NASCAR’s experimental growth strategy; explains why he’s not in competition with F1 and IndyCar; and weighs in on the simmering legal standoff with Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan—while making the case for why polarizing personalities like Hamlin are important for increasing fan engagement.
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Jul 13, 2025 • 60min
Matt Berry’s Real Life Sports Fantasy
Matthew Berry, NBC Sports' fantasy sports analyst and entrepreneur, discusses the success story of his startup, Fantasy Life, which boasts 1.5 million daily users. He reveals how he attracted high-profile investors like LeBron James and shares insights on the evolving relationship between fantasy sports and legalized betting. Berry emphasizes innovative advertising strategies and the impact of fantasy leagues on audience engagement. His personal journey in the fantasy industry, including a pivotal meeting with the NBA commissioner, adds an inspiring touch.

Jul 9, 2025 • 45min
Here Come the Robo Umps…
Puck’s A.I. expert Ian Krietzberg joins John for a deep dive into the growing influence of artificial intelligence in sports. Ian discusses the promise and pitfalls of A.I. in sports, from computer vision models to predictive analytics—and stresses the importance of deploying A.I. with intent, solving real-world problems rather than embracing the technology for novelty’s sake.
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Jul 6, 2025 • 59min
The Caitlin Clark Effect
Christine Brennan, the pioneering sports columnist, joins the pod to discuss her new book, “On Her Game: Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports.” She unpacks the WNBA’s struggle to match the moment of Caitlin’s rise, the financial implications of Caitlin’s ascent, the league’s perpetual lack of media attention and support, and much more. Christine also reflects on her own trailblazing career pushing through sports journalism’s glass ceiling.
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Jul 2, 2025 • 35min
A College Football Power Grab & CBS Sports on Edge
Axios’s Sara Fischer returns to the pod for a sweeping tour of the most urgent issues in the sports media landscape—from the looming Trump–CBS settlement (and what a Skydance-Paramount merger portends for CBS Sports) to the College Football Playoff’s potential expansion, the growing leverage of live sports in ad markets, the possibility of a new NFL stadium in D.C., and much, much more.
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Jun 29, 2025 • 42min
Tennis’s Next Rafa and Serena?
Jon Wertheim, Sports Illustrated's esteemed writer and 60 Minutes correspondent, dives into the tennis world’s thrilling resurgence, spotlighting stars like Coco Gauff and Carlos Alcaraz. He advocates for the unification of men's and women's tours to boost global appeal. Wertheim also examines the sport's business challenges, including the intriguing influence of Saudi investors. Finally, he reflects on the importance of storytelling in sports, emphasizing how athlete personalities are captivating fans like never before.

Jun 25, 2025 • 52min
Paul Rabil’s Lacrosse Gospel
Paul Rabil, co-founder of the Premier Lacrosse League, joins John for a deep dive into the PLL’s new five-year media rights deal with ESPN, which includes an equity stake from the network. Rabil charts the PLL’s growth trajectory, teases expansion plans, and explains why the 2028 Olympics could be a turning point for lacrosse as a global sport.
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Jun 22, 2025 • 48min
Kicking It With Alexi Lalas
Alexi Lalas, Fox Sports analyst and former American soccer star, swings by the pod for a wide-ranging discussion about the accelerated growth of soccer in the U.S. Alexis lays out the MLS roadmap to global relevance, celebrates the rise of the NWSL, and explains why he’s bullish on the 2026 World Cup—and what this all means for the future of the sport in the U.S.
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