

The NatureBacked Podcast
Tarmo Virki
Are you looking to understand the business of a better future? Welcome to NatureBacked. For three years and through more than 125 episodes, we've been on a mission to uncover how investors and entrepreneurs worldwide tackle climate change, from the complexities of emissions to the devastating reality of floods. We explore the personal choices and inspiring journeys driving this critical work. Join us to hear from the experts, innovators, and changemakers who are not just talking about change but actively creating it. As a top-three U.S. investment podcast and in the top 2.5% of all podcasts globally, NatureBacked offers the insights you need to navigate the evolving landscape of a sustainable world.NatureBacked was founded by Tarmo Virki, a passionate environmentalist who believes that nature has the solutions to many of the challenges we face today. In each episode, Tarmo or co-host Fiona Alston interviews a guest who shares their knowledge, experience, and vision on a specific topic related to nature and sustainability. We would love to hear from you, so feel free to email us at tarmo@naturebacked.com with your feedback, questions, or suggestions. Thank you for listening, and we hope you enjoy the show!Stay curious and stay green 💚
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May 13, 2025 • 38min
Investing in Timberland: A Southeast Perspective
John Brenard shares the origin story of Southview Timberland Investments, detailing his transition from finance to timberland investing. He discusses the advantages of investing in timberland, particularly in the Southeast US, where the market is robust and diverse.
The conversation covers the various products derived from timber, the investment opportunities available, and the benefits of direct ownership of timberland. John also addresses the risks associated with climate change and biodiversity, emphasizing the sustainability of timberland investments, which could be seen as an inflation hedge.
"The trees are steady growing, like clockwork," he said.
He concludes by outlining the current investment opportunities and the positive outlook for the timber industry in the US economy.
Takeaways
Southview Timberland Investments was founded to offer timberland investment opportunities.
The Southeast US region is the largest timber producer in North America.
Timberland investments provide a hedge against inflation.
Investing in timberland allows for direct control over assets.
The timber industry is evolving with new technologies and products.
Cash flow can be generated from timberland investments through various means.
Sustainable practices are integral to timberland management.
The timberland asset class is less volatile than public markets.
Investors can access timberland through various investment vehicles.
The current political climate is favorable for the timber industry.
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May 6, 2025 • 32min
Ocean Winds & Energy Giants: Charting the Course for a Greener Future (Live from Impact Day 2024)
The episode brings two distinct but interconnected perspectives on the green transition: harnessing the immense power of our oceans and transforming established energy giants from within. Get ready for insights into offshore wind development and the complex journey of greening a legacy fossil fuel company.
The NatureBacked podcast, direct from the vibrant atmosphere of Impact Day 2024, was hosted by Fiona Alston, who dives deep into the critical shifts shaping our energy landscape.
First, Fiona speaks with Charles Ogilvie, Executive Director of Ocean Energy Pathway.
Charles sheds light on the burgeoning world of offshore wind energy, explaining why the seas offer superior wind quality allowing for colossal turbines, and how his organization helps governments worldwide build sustainable offshore wind sectors. He addresses the crucial environmental balance, discussing how, counterintuitively, well-managed wind farms can potentially aid marine ecosystem recovery in previously degraded areas, alongside their primary role in climate change mitigation.
Next, the conversation shifts to the intricate challenge of industrial transformation with Kristjan Kuhi, Management Board Member at Eesti Energia. Kristjan candidly discusses the journey of an 85-year-old company, historically reliant on Estonia's oil shale, as it pivots towards renewables like wind and solar, explores grid solutions like batteries and hydrogen, and even seeks circular economy applications for its legacy infrastructure. He highlights the internal and external drivers for this capital-intensive change and the forward-thinking required in R&D.
Recorded live (and featuring a brief, real-time electrical hiccup!), this episode offers compelling insights from the front lines of the energy transition. Tune in to explore the vast potential unlocked by tapping into ocean winds and the pragmatic realities of steering a traditional energy player towards a sustainable future, understanding what needs to be built anew and what must be fundamentally transformed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 29, 2025 • 30min
Navigating the Climate Investment Landscape: Insights from MUUS
What does it take to secure climate tech investment now? Is the era of software-only solutions over? Tarmo Virki probes Kavita Patel and Logan Grizzel from climate investors MUUS Climate Partners on the tough questions facing the sector. They discuss the undeniable need for physical infrastructure, the growing importance of grid tech and resilience, and why a laser focus on customer needs and business basics is paramount. How has the capital stack evolved, and what hard truths must founders accept to navigate today's market? Takeaways Muus Climate Partners focuses on advanced technology and decarbonization. Natural disasters have impacted over 90% of Americans recently. Grid technology is becoming increasingly important due to load growth. Software alone cannot solve climate issues; physical solutions are essential. Adaptation and resiliency are now central themes in climate investment. Fundamentals in business are crucial, especially in uncertain times. Founders must understand their customers' pain points to succeed. The capital stack for climate tech has matured, allowing for creative financing. Realism about market conditions is key for founders seeking investment. Predictability and stability are vital for business success in the current climate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 22, 2025 • 18min
Navigating the Future of Packaging with Elizabeth Corbett
Can packaging be both beautiful and environmentally responsible? This week on NatureBacked, we explore this critical question with eco-packaging expert Elizabeth Corbett. From navigating the maze of recycling systems to turning ocean waste into valuable resources, Elizabeth reveals the secrets to smarter, greener packaging. Join us for a fascinating conversation that will change how you see the products you buy.Takeaways
Elizabeth Corbett has 25 years of experience in packaging solutions.
Sustainable packaging is a top-of-mind conversation for many companies.
Reducing the size of packaging can lead to sustainability and cost savings.
Recycling practices vary significantly across different municipalities in the U.S.
Ocean-bound plastic can be processed and used for various products.
Creating a circular packaging system is a complex challenge.
Education is key to improving recycling practices in communities.
Sustainability can be integrated into packaging without significantly increasing costs.
Brands should prioritize sustainability in their product development process.
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Apr 15, 2025 • 13min
What Can You Make From a Sunflower Seed? Sunfly's Surprising Answer
Did you know that most sunflower seeds end up as oil or animal feed? Our guest is challenging the centuries-old status quo of sunflower seed usage. Join us as we speak with Dmitri Eivin, the co-founder and CEO of Sunfly. The episode was recorded live at Impact Day 2024 in Tallinn, Estonia.While over 95% of sunflower seeds are traditionally relegated to oil and animal feed, Sunfly is pioneering a disruptive approach. Discover how they're utilizing 100% of the seed to create a remarkable range of plant-based, protein-rich, and top 14 allergen-free products – from delicious seed spreads to dairy and even meat alternatives – all while drastically reducing their environmental footprint. Prepare to be inspired by Sunfly's commitment to a zero-waste future and its powerful impact on land use, water consumption, and CO2 emissions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 10, 2025 • 33min
Transforming Agriculture: The Regenerative Approach of The Land Group
Francisco Roque De Pinho, co-founder of the Land Group, discusses in this episode the transformative potential of regenerative agriculture in South America and beyond.He shares insights into the practices that make agriculture more sustainable, the challenges faced in implementing these practices, and the importance of capital in driving change. The discussion also touches on the role of carbon markets and the future of regenerative agriculture as it gains traction among investors and consumers alike.The Land Group has been quietly operating since 2016 from a base in Europe. It has acquired, and transformed 40,000 hectares of farmland in South America to drive a regenerative agriculture shift while delivering strong financial returns and asset appreciation.Formally launching in September of last year, with €120 million assets under management, it’s now ramping up its focus on adaptive-grazing based approaches to regenerative agriculture.takeaways
Regenerative agriculture focuses on improving soil quality and biodiversity.
The current agricultural model is unsustainable and needs transformation.
Not all regenerative practices are financially viable or scalable.
Adaptive multi-paddock grazing is a scalable regenerative practice.
The journey to founding the Land Group began with turning around distressed assets.
Regenerative agriculture is gaining interest among investors.
Carbon markets are fragmented and challenging to navigate.
The future of regenerative agriculture depends on capital availability.
There is growing awareness and interest in regenerative practices among farmers.
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Mar 31, 2025 • 24min
Navigating the Energy and Mineral Transitions with Anthony Milewski
Anthony Milewski discusses the global energy transition with host Tarmo Virki, emphasizing the shift from coal to cleaner energy sources like nuclear and renewables. He highlights the importance of critical minerals in sustainable energy and the ethical dilemmas surrounding their sourcing. The discussion also touches on consumer responsibility and the environmental impact of electric vehicles, urging listeners to consider the broader implications of their consumption choices.Anthony is a 4x founder and trailblazer in energy transition and critical minerals, driving investments that power global industries while balancing profits with environmental impact. His two passions — investing and outdoor adventures — converge in his role as a pioneer in the electrification of industries. From nickel for EV batteries to carbon markets to preserve forests to AI solutions that reduce the environmental impact of farming — Anthony focuses on investments that power the renewable energy revolution while driving high eco-friendly returns. Takeaways:takeaways
The energy transition is a necessary global shift.
Nuclear energy is a key player in reducing pollution.
Renewables like solar and wind have environmental costs.
Critical minerals are essential for modern technology.
Ethical sourcing of minerals is a complex issue.
Consumers often disconnect from the sourcing of products.
Less consumption could mitigate environmental impact.
Investors can capitalize on the demand for critical minerals.
Electric vehicles, while cleaner, still have significant environmental footprints.
Awareness of sourcing can drive consumer behavior towards sustainability.
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Mar 18, 2025 • 23min
Revolutionizing Agriculture: The Just Vertical Approach
Conner Tidd, co-founder and CEO of Just Vertical discusses the innovative approaches to vertical farming, emphasizing the ease of use and productivity of their systems. He shares insights into the sustainability of hydroponics, the challenges faced by startups in the agricultural sector, and the growth of the consumer market for indoor farming solutions. Tidd also highlights future milestones for Just Vertical, including technological advancements and the impact of current economic conditions on food prices.TakeawaysJust Vertical builds indoor vertical farms globally.Their systems are designed for ease of use and productivity.They have grown over 350,000 plants in various locations.Hydroponics allows for controlled growth conditions.Indoor farming complements traditional agriculture, not replaces it.The startup mentality drives their innovation and growth.Farming remains a labor-intensive industry despite technology.The consumer market for indoor farming is stable and growing.Economic conditions are affecting food prices significantly.Refining technology is crucial for future growth and sustainability. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 11, 2025 • 30min
Ecocide: A New Frontier in Environmental Law
In this conversation, Jojo Mehta, the head of Stop Ecocide International, discusses the concept of ecocide, its definition, and the importance of criminalizing severe environmental harm.She shares her journey into environmental advocacy, the global legislative progress, and the role of international law in addressing ecocide.The discussion highlights the cultural shifts needed to recognize the seriousness of ecological destruction and the potential impact of US politics on the movement.Mehta emphasizes the need for a global acknowledgment of ecocide as a serious crime and outlines future milestones for advocacy efforts.Takeaways
Ecocide refers to severe and long-term harm to ecosystems.
Criminalizing ecocide aims to create a moral stigma against environmental harm.
Legislation is moving forward in various jurisdictions to address ecocide.
International law can elevate serious environmental crimes to a new level of seriousness.
Cultural shifts are necessary to recognize the value of nature.
Ecocide law could restore the International Criminal Court's intended role.
The US's non-membership in the ICC limits its influence on ecocide law.
Advocacy for ecocide law is gaining momentum globally.
The coalition of victim countries is crucial for advancing ecocide law.
Future milestones include expanding diplomatic conversations and legal frameworks.
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Feb 24, 2025 • 28min
Can We Buy Our Way to Sustainability? A VC's Perspective
Ramanan Raghavendran, founder of a venture capital firm Amasia, outlines their investment thesis, which emphasizes behavior change and the circular economy, and shares insights on the challenges facing clean tech and sustainability startups.Ramanan also highlights the importance of consumer behavior in driving sustainable choices and offers advice for navigating the investment landscape in the coming years.Takeaways
Amasia focuses on sustainability and climate-related investments.
Investing in software-based businesses is a key strategy.
Behavior change is essential for addressing climate issues.
The circular economy plays a crucial role in sustainability.
Consumer choices can significantly impact sustainability efforts.
2025 to present challenges for sustainability-focused companies.
Exploring alternative financing sources is vital for startups.
Hope and passion are important for entrepreneurs in tough times.
Investors should look beyond traditional VC funding.
Sustainability is a mission worth pursuing.
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