The Extramilest Podcast

Floris Gierman
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Dec 20, 2023 • 58min

#79: 80/20 Training to Race Faster, Round 2. Matt Fitzgerald and Ryan Whited

Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Head to https://drinklmnt.com/flo to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Today a follow up conversation about 80/20 running, low heart rate training, high intensity running and pain management. Matt Fitzgerald is an acclaimed endurance sports author, coach, and nutritionist. His many books include 80/20 Running, The Comeback Quotient, and On Pace. Ryan Whited is a personal trainer, an elite climber, and the founder of Paragon Athletics Gym. Matt and Ryan co-authored a new book titled - Pain and Performance, with several eye opening learnings and takeaways. Watch the full video on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/mZNVcdV6u2g CHAPTERS: 00:00 80/20 Training Fundamentals 04:17 Welcome Matt and Ryan! 08:21 The challenge of slowing down training pace (Matt) 13:04 Zero-high-intensity vs. 80/20 Training (Matt) 15:39 Active strategies for managing pain in training (Ryan) 22:06 Floris' Berlin Marathon calf issue: rest vs. active preparation (Ryan) 28:51 Pain and damage are not necessarily equal (Ryan) 29:06 Floris' "Back story" how pain can surprise you and bias confirmed (Ryan) 31:51 Discomfort on raceday and mindset (Ryan and Matt) 35:10 High-intesity training: 100% vs. 90% (Floris) 43:28 The expectation of pain (Matt) 45:55 Contributory lifestyle and belief factors to pain (Floris and Ryan) 50:54 Smiling in the pain cave, mantras (Ryan and Matt) 53:08 Find out about Ryan and Matt's book, and them! 54:55 Recommendations for athletes to improve LINKS & TOOLS MENTIONED Pain & Performance (book) - by Ryan Whited and Matt Fitzgerald ~ https://amzn.to/474hTmK 80/20 Running: Run Stronger and Race Faster By Training Slower (book) ~ https://amzn.to/3GHvO7s The Comeback Quotient (book) by Matt Fitzgerald ~ https://amzn.to/3v5iJCy On Pace: Discover How to Run Every Race at Your Real Limit (book) ~ https://amzn.to/3RR7Mh1 Arthur Lydiard ~ https://www.lydiardfoundation.org/ourhistory Dr. Phil Maffetone ~ https://philmaffetone.com/ Everything Is Figureoutable (book) by Marie Forleo ~ https://amzn.to/3GSjth0 Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT MATT HERE: Website ~ https://mattfitzgerald.org/ 80/20 Endurance ~ https://www.8020endurance.com/ Dream Run Camp ~ https://dreamruncamp.com/ FIND OUT MORE ABOUT RYAN HERE: Paragon Athletics gym ~ https://paragonathletics.com/ Bio ~ https://paragonathletics.com/personaltraining YOU CAN FIND ME, COACH FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: Our Personal Best Coaching Program: www.pbprogram.com Free Weekly Newsletter: https://extramilest.com/subscribe YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/florisgierman Strava: strava.com/athletes/1329785 Instagram: instagram.com/florisgierman Website: extramilest.com Website: pathprojects.com Podcast: extramilest.com/podcast/ Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our Personal Best Running Coaching Program can be found at https://www.pbprogram.com. SUBSCRIBE and hit the bell to see new videos: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT
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Nov 30, 2023 • 1h 1min

#78: Transform Your Runs, Join a Crew, with Liam Lonsdale

Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Head to https://drinklmnt.com/flo to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Liam Lonsdale is a professional photographer, trail runner and father of 2 young kids. He is sponsored athlete by brands like Speedland footwear and PATH projects and he is one of the main guys behind The Bandits, a running crew in Oakland, California. We talk about advise for runners looking to connect more with others, how to find a running crew near you, or how to start one. We cover running equipment, and overcoming challenges in training, racing and life. Watch the full video on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/pSo7Uq2SSfo Chapters: 00:00 Intro 02:41 Welcome Liam! 03:35 Bay Bandits run crew, spreading the trail love! 05:14 Finding the right running group for you. 14:44 Running and mental well-being. 16:47 Developing a running shoe (and shirt!), spirit of collaboration. 19:44 More on trail shoes and other running gear. 33:49 Little wins vs big crazy goals, coping with injury. 39:43 Advice for runners to improve, including your ups & downs (hills) 47:22 Transitioning from road to trail, slowing down or stopping. 50:04 Meditation, breathwork and mindfulness of the body. 58:13 Where to find out more about Liam. 59:03 Closing thoughts. 1:00:11 Outro FIND LIAM LONSDALE HERE: Website ~ https://www.liamlonsdale.com Instagram ~ https://www.instagram.com/liamlonsdale Strava ~ https://www.strava.com/athletes/7262053 LINKS & TOOLS MENTIONED: Harvard Longevity Studies ~ https://bit.ly/3sXo3al Bluezones ~ https://www.bluezones.com/ SPEEDLAND ~ https://www.runspeedland.com/ SPEEDLAND x PATH projects Shoe ~ https://www.runspeedland.com/products/gs-oak PATH Projects ~ https://pathprojects.com/ Stance socks ~ https://amzn.to/47SQYeG Othership app ~ https://www.othership.us/app Dr. Phil Maffetone – 5-Minute Power Break ~ https://bit.ly/3XxGLjy Andrew Huberman (breathwork) ~ https://bit.ly/47VmOHG Wim Hof (breathwork) ~ https://bit.ly/41gAzyF YOU CAN FIND ME, COACH FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: Our Personal Best Coaching Program: www.pbprogram.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/florisgierman Strava: strava.com/athletes/1329785 Instagram: instagram.com/florisgierman Website: extramilest.com Website: pathprojects.com Podcast: extramilest.com/podcast/ Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our Personal Best Running Coaching Program can be found at https://www.pbprogram.com. SUBSCRIBE and hit the bell to see new videos: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT
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Nov 18, 2023 • 53min

#77: Runners 50+ Unlock Your Running Potential with Jennifer Kellett

Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Head to https://drinklmnt.com/flo to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Jennifer Kellett absolutely crushes the age group divisions. For example, she ran a half marathon in 1:37:31 and broke the Australian 65-69 age category record and at the time was only 2 seconds off the World Record. It wasn't until her early 60s that she made running her primary sport. Jennifer is a member of our Personal Best Running Coaching Program, more info at https://www.pbprogram.com/ Watch the full video on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/IidfDmGAXqs Chapters: 00:00 Intro (Jennifer) 00:27 Intro (Floris) 02:50 Welcome Jennifer! 04:17 Running smarter not harder. 08:18 Going beyond limits, the perception of an age barrier. 11:38 From higher intensity to slowing down in training. 13:10 MAF training "guard rails", max heart rate and running by feel. 15:53 Advice for people starting out with heart rate training. 17:29 Training in the heat (Australia) 18:40 Recovery strategy for a short turnaround of events, plus breaking records! 21:36 Starting running at different ages. 23:28 Don't chase the squirrel! Letting go of ego and improving self-awareness. 27:17 Jennifer's 2023 Chicago Marathon experience. 33:14 Raceday doesn't always go to plan. Eating on the move? Take your blender! 35:29 Jennifer's training routine, being an intuitive runner and avoiding injury. 41:07 Looking towards the Comrades Marathon. 43:29 Advice for people looking to go further distances. 46:09 Closing thoughts; training load and strength training as we get older. 52:08 Outro. FIND JENNIFER KELLETT HERE: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenniek1111 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/runningfromoldage Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/19073319 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.kellett.186 LINKS & TOOLS MENTIONED: Per-Olof Åstrand ~ https://www.topendsports.com/testing/history-astrand.htm Stephen Seiler Ted Talk ~ https://bit.ly/47D2OJQ Comrades Marathon ~ https://www.comrades.com/ Vitamix blender ~ https://amzn.to/3Qya8PT YOU CAN FIND ME, COACH FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: Our Personal Best Coaching Program: www.pbprogram.com YouTube: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT Strava: strava.com/athletes/1329785 Instagram: instagram.com/florisgierman Website: extramilest.com Website: pathprojects.com Podcast: extramilest.com/podcast/ Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our running coaching program that Jennifer Kellett is a part of can be found at https://www.pbprogram.com. SUBSCRIBE and hit the bell to see new videos: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT
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Oct 29, 2023 • 1h 16min

#76: Avoid These 9 Running Mistakes, with Floris Gierman, Amelia Vrabel and Ben Edusei

Three running coaches from The Personal Best Program discuss common running mistakes and share tips on how to avoid them. Topics include the importance of easy runs, prioritizing well-being, managing ego and comparison, being present in running, common racing mistakes, the value of a supportive running community, and connecting with the speakers to share running mistakes.
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Oct 13, 2023 • 1h 8min

#75: Massive Running Improvements, 5:00 to 3:47 Marathon, with Todd Marentette

Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Head to https://drinklmnt.com/flo to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Todd Marentette is a 46-year-old athlete from Ontario, Canada. He went from around 250 lbs/113kg, to finishing 12 marathons. We discuss low heart rate training and his race lessons learned. Watch the full video on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/05QUrjPVN6Q CHAPTERS: 00:00 Intro 02:36 How Todd got into running 06:33 Learning patience and looking after your feet! 12:28 Fundamentals for non-elite runners, Todd's routine. 16:43 Challenges and benefits with low heart rate training 20:45 First race day experiences 25:50 Further training cycles and races, beat your average! 28:19 What is your Why? 30:45 Running all seasons in Ontario 34:23 The perfect race morning 36:24 Heart rate monitoring, watch tech and metrics. 41:51 Base-building and adding in speed 47:37 Running isn't just running 50:11 The role of recovery in training 53:18 Keeping active while desk-working, beauty of the trails. 56:22 Increasing volume of low intensity running 1:01:41 Find out more about Todd 1:02:13 What Todd learned through his running experiences. 1:04:06 Closing thoughts, don't be afraid to ask for help! 1:07:10 Outro – about the PB Program FIND TODD MARENTETTE HERE: Instagram: instagram.com/altramarathonman LINKS & TOOLS MENTIONED: Garmin Fenix watches - amzn.to/3RS6a6Y Polar H10 chest strap HRM - amzn.to/3LYV644 PATH projects apparel - /pathprojects.com Altra Footwear - amzn.to/3S1Rxhp Danny Dreyer Chi Running - youtube.com/watch?v=VrHyT-D1se8 Dr Mark Cucuzzella - youtube.com/watch?v=wCbr-dkUi7Q Dr Phil Maffetone - youtube.com/watch?v=_TPrenWWK9U Coach Amelia Vrabel - youtube.com/watch?v=rW6mr8A_dpA Coach Ben Edusei - youtube.com/watch?v=-mIcYyVqXNw YOU CAN FIND ME, FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: Our Personal Best Coaching Program: www.pbprogram.com YouTube: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT Strava: strava.com/athletes/1329785 Instagram: instagram.com/florisgierman Website: extramilest.com Website: pathprojects.com Podcast: extramilest.com/podcast/ Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our running coaching program can be found at https://www.pbprogram.com. SUBSCRIBE and hit the bell to see new videos: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT
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Sep 30, 2023 • 1h 11min

#74: Breathing Hacks To Supercharge Your Performance, with Kasper van der Meulen

Renowned author and expert in human performance, mindfulness, and breathwork, Kasper van der Meulen, discusses various breathing techniques to improve running, the power of breath in overall well-being, hypoventilation for athletes, the connection between posture and breath in athletic performance, controlling breathing for marathon running, breathwork in training and everyday life, and finding joy in training and long-term health.
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Sep 15, 2023 • 1h 8min

#73: Mental Health Struggles Of Athletes: Coping Strategies for Success

Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Head to https://drinklmnt.com/FLO to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Jennifer Schmidt helps active people navigate their mental health challenges towards wellness. She is a Recreation Therapist and Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, taking athletes mental health beyond exercise. Watch this full interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/SrG9dn2ADp0 CHAPTERS: 00:00​ how your sport performance can improve significantly 03:06​ how Jen became a mental health coach for athletes 05:15​ how mental health starts in the body 06:54 ​recognizing mental health issues in athletes 10:56​ getting to the root causes of stress responses, looking at biology 16:02​ anxiety and depression as symptoms, not isolated states 17:01​ practical ways to manage anxiety in the moment 20:29​ inflammation with anxiety and depression 22:31​ nail the basics, then get to the "fancy" stuff 23:47​ stress of a busy schedules and talking about our emotions 28:47​ potential benefits of cold exposure 36:29​ light and mood, circadian rhythms, SAD lamps 40:57​ injury and identity with sport 44:04​ journaling, stream of consciousness writing and gratitude 47:39​ laughter is the best medicine! 53:48​ transformational journeys for athletes 58:22​ holistic approach to training and health 1:00:22​ mental health after racing, finding that dopamine hit! 1:03:03​ find out more about Jennifer 1:04:32​ closing thoughts Floris FIND JENNIFER SCHMIDT HERE: ► Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ignitehealthcoaching ► Website - www.igniteyourhealth.ca ► Weekly Newsletter - https://www.igniteyourhealth.ca/mental-health-pb/ LINKS & TOOLS ► Wim Hof on Extramilest Show https://youtu.be/6-WVAsie2oA YOU CAN FIND ME, FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: ► Podcast: https://extramilest.com/podcast ► My Running Coaching Program: https://www.pbprogram.com ► My weekly newsletter: https://extramilest.com/subscribe ► Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/1329785 ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/florisgierman ► Website: https://extramilest.com ► Website: https://pathprojects.com Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an Associate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. 🚨 GIVEAWAY!! Win a $100 gift card to PATH projects. To enter, subscribe to my YouTube channel & comment: what was your favorite takeaway, lesson or quote from this video? 1 winner will be picked by November 30th from the YouTube comments. To learn more about our running coaching program, from 5k to marathons and ultra distances, for beginners, intermediate and advanced runners, visit https://www.pbprogram.com
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Aug 31, 2023 • 1h 12min

#72: Training Like A Hybrid Athlete, Running & Strength Training with Matt Choi

Matt Choi, a Korean/American hybrid athlete, discusses training as a hybrid athlete and shares advice for newer athletes. They explore transitioning from high intensity to slowing down, the definition of a hybrid athlete, and the importance of individualized training and healthy aging. Matt also talks about his training week structure, nutrition, and recovery, and highlights the mistakes hybrid athletes make. Other topics include race day examples, dealing with adversity, motivation and discipline, lessons from David Goggins, pulling from different energy systems, taking creatine, finding the right footwear, and nutrition principles for hybrid athletes.
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Jul 30, 2023 • 1h 13min

#71: How to Balance Running & Life: Tips for Non-Elite Runners

Kyle Whalum, is a non-elite ultra runner and bass player for Kelly Clarkson, Katy Perry and The Voice. We discuss MAF low heart rate training, quitting alcohol, meditation and mental health. Thanks to LMNT for sponsoring this video! Visit https://drinklmnt.com/FLO to get your free LMNT sample pack with any purchase. Watch this full interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/giMsbYHvimE CHAPTERS: 0:00 How to enjoy your running practice 3:00 Sponsor LMNT 4:35 How Kyle got into meditation out of necessity 13:40 How to get into consistent meditation 18:30 How meditation can improve your running 21:20 MAF training experiences and learnings 26:50 Why and how Kyle stopped drinking alcohol 28:20 Advice for first 6 months of MAF training 31:10 Kyle's first MAF training breakthrough with Kyle 34:00 Base building and high intensity running 35:21 Advice to start with MAF running 37:00 Lifestyle changes, taking a look under the hood 38:05 How combine working late, dad mode and running? 43:12 Floris shares his skateboard tour experiences 45:17 Night shift workers and sleep approach 48:50 Sacrifices to reach big goals 53:35 Cutting out alcohol, setting up support system 57:28 Poster Floris office, My Life In Weeks 1:01:40 Having fun besides drinking alcohol 1:06:55 Advice for athletes looking to improve 1:08:46 Closing thoughts Floris 1:09:44 How to run and be present 1:11:35 Personal Best Program Community FIND MARCO HERE: ► Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kylewhalum/ LINKS AND TOOLS MENTIONED ► My Life In Weeks - 4k poster: https://bit.ly/4kweeks ► Center For Resilience - https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org ► Reframe Drinking App - https://bit.ly/reframe-app ► Katy Perry Tour - https://www.katyperry.com/tour/ YOU CAN FIND ME, FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: ► Podcast: https://extramilest.com/podcast ► Personal Best Program: https://www.pbprogram.com ► My weekly newsletter: https://extramilest.com/subscribe ► Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/1329785 ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/florisgierman ► Website: https://extramilest.com ► Website: https://pathprojects.com Thanks to PATH projects and LMNT for sponsoring this episode! Visit PATHprojects.com/flo to learn more about my favorite apparel for training, racing and life. Also, head to http://DrinkLMNT.com/FLO to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an Associate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. 🚨 GIVEAWAY!! Win a box of LMNT Electrolyte Drink Mix. To enter, subscribe to my YouTube channel & comment: what was your favorite takeaway, lesson or quote from this video? 1 winner will be picked by September 30th from the YouTube comments. To learn more about our running coaching program, from 5k to marathons and ultra distances, visit https://www.pbprogram.com
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Jul 24, 2023 • 1h 1min

#70: Heart Rate Variability (HRV) Training, with Marco Altini

Heart Rate Variability (HRV) provides insights to help you quantify stress, better balance training and lifestyle, and improve performance. Marco Altini (PhD, MSc) has 50 publications+ and a few patents at the intersection between technology, health, and performance. He is the founder of HRV4Training (Heart Rate Variability), an app I use daily. He is also a data science advisor at Oura; a wearable ring and app to optimize how you sleep, workout and recover. He is also a strong non-elite runner! Watch this full interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/vvtU_IK8JkI CHAPTERS: 00:00 HRV to handle load better 01:08 Sponsor: PATH projects and LMNT 2:34 Explaining Heart Rate Variability 6:30 How to measure HRV 16:06 Improving HRV 22:51 Sleep 23:37 Marco integrating HRV data into his own training 27:56 Breath work and breathing 36:04 HRV: guided versus dictated 41:24 Examples from Floris' training 46:43 Tapering for events 51:08 Positive stress and the limitations of data 52:01 Developments in non-invasive wearables 54:58 Find out more about Marco 56:46 Closing thoughts FIND MARCO HERE: ► Twitter - https://twitter.com/altini_marco ► Substack - https://marcoaltini.substack.com/ ► Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/altini_marco/ ► Website - https://www.marcoaltini.com/ LINKS AND TOOLS MENTIONED ► Website - https://www.hrv4training.com/ ► App (search) - HRV4Training ► Jason Koop podcast with Marco Altini - https://bit.ly/3q57cRp ► Oura ring - https://ouraring.com/ ► Josh Waitzkin website - https://www.joshwaitzkin.com/ ► Tim Ferriss website - https://tim.blog/ ► Joe Dispenza website - https://drjoedispenza.com/ ► Dr. Stephen Seiler on 80/20 Training | Extramilest Show #50 - https://bit.ly/3pIOWx4 YOU CAN FIND ME, FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: ► Podcast: https://extramilest.com/podcast ► Personal Best Program: https://www.pbprogram.com ► My weekly newsletter: https://extramilest.com/subscribe ► Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/1329785 ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/florisgierman ► Website: https://extramilest.com ► Website: https://pathprojects.com Thanks to PATH projects and LMNT for sponsoring this episode! Visit PATHprojects.com/flo to learn more about my favorite apparel for training, racing and life. Also, head to http://DrinkLMNT.com/FLO to get your free sample pack with any purchase. Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an Associate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. 🚨 GIVEAWAY!! Win a box of LMNT Electrolyte Drink Mix. To enter, subscribe to my YouTube channel & comment: what was your favorite takeaway, lesson or quote from this video? 1 winner will be picked by September 30th from the YouTube comments. To learn more about our running coaching program, from 5k to marathons and ultra distances, visit https://www.pbprogram.com

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