
Gain Grow Retain
In the podcast dedicated to customer success leaders in the B2B SaaS and tech space, hosts Jeff Breunsbach and Jay Nathan share conversations about growing and scaling subscription businesses with a customer-first approach. The podcast is aimed at SaaS and technology leaders who are facing the day to day challenges of scaling.
This podcast is brought to you by Higher Logic.
Latest episodes

May 1, 2020 • 35min
Onboarding: the critical milestone in B2B SaaS | Donna Weber, Springboard Solutions
Donna Weber of Springboard Solutions joins Jay to talk about Donna's recent webinar around onboarding and enablement. First Impressions, confirmation bias and buyer's remorse are all concepts we need to pay attention to.
When customers adopt quickly they renew forever - we can no longer use 'hope' as a strategy after the deal closes
Onboarding becomes the most critical milestone within the journey
The audience during onboarding becomes critical - who are executive sponsors, champions, users, buyers, etc. - they all need to have a plan
Customers can rethink "have I made the right choice" - don't let them feel that regret If you can stay proactive
Build a connection - take a moment to try and get personal - the connection can help you through hard times
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 28, 2020 • 9min
Customer success delivering outcomes | Dave Duke, MetaCX
Jay joins Dave Duke of MetaCX around how customer success teams can help deliver outcomes for customers:
Talk for a few minutes about how MetaCX helps align to outcome delivery for customer success teams
Data and analytics becomes a major point in this discussion to tie the strategy to outcomes
Collaboration with customers Is a major asset to a customer success team - there needs to be a transparency
Customer success plays like the go-to-market function more than we like to admit; they need to tie delivery to outcomes
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 24, 2020 • 12min
How customer success teams can leverage ’Success Plans’ | Dave Duke, MetaCX
A fun back and forth with Dave Duke of MetaCX around the Idea of 'Success Planning' for customer success teams...
Success planning looks very similar to account planning that's been around for a number of years
Success planning starts within the sales cycle and gets pulled through the customer success team as the customer enters the customer journey
The 'Success Plan' changes over time as the relationship with the customer changes
'Success Plans' should be thought about differently as you overlay them over your customer segmentation
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 21, 2020 • 44min
Sales transition and tools for collaboration between customer success and product | CS Leadership Office Hours
What % of churn happens because of over-selling or poor client onboarding, and what process/tools are used to solve this?
Organizations need to incentivize looking for long term goals instead of short term revenue
Potential ideas to help when working with sales:For the good customer (within ICP), Pay more incentives; while for customers who are not within ICP, the Sales team gets fewer commissions.
Align compensation to milestones of the customer journey
Commission variable according to Customer adoption and LTV
Commission linked to the payments received from customers (cash in the bank account)
Focus on business cases during the sales-to-success transition
Are you really getting to the root cause of the churn? Find out and document the churn reasons within the CRMTake it to the leadership level: All the departments, Be it marketing or sales should make their effort into the right direction.
Do a Success Analysis: Find out which of the existing customers are churning and which ones are successful. What are those key differentiators between churn and success? That is where we need to focus time and energy.
Aaron Thompson's presentation from Customer Success Network titled "Customer Success Sells"
What tools are used for collaboration between CS & Product to prioritize new feature requests during onboarding, renewal, and expansion?
Aligning teams along with customers on the 'Path to Green' for adoption
Tacking the feature requests. CSMs can sit together with relevant product managers to tell how many customers are looking for a particular feature.
Sometimes customers don’t know what actually they need. CSMs and Product Managers can truly look at the use-case and find out the best way to do it.We need to be training CSMs to be asking the right inquisitive questions so that they can uncover the Jobs-To-Be-Done framework
Ideation Platform where customers can come and upvote, downvote for features. This platform is connected with a project management platform that dev can see.
Jo Massie from Slido shared a presentation on how they collaborate around the product roadmap
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 20, 2020 • 20min
Building community within your B2B SaaS industry
There's an opportunity to build and cultivate a community within your B2B SaaS Industry. The COVID Pandemic could be the catalyst needed to spin up a community that can become an aspect of your customer success strategy.
Communities can be a way to support the long-tail of your customer-base but It needs to be broader than just your product
This needs to be a full-time dedicated job to build, cultivate and engage with the community
Make communities valuable -- what Is the hard-hitting, actionable content that can drive value
How do you build listening channels to help translate challenges Into content
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 16, 2020 • 24min
Connecting Customer Success and Finance in B2B SaaS | Carl Yost, Black Diamond Advisory
Jay and Jeff bring on Carl Yost of Black Diamond Advisory to talk about the Importance of customer success and finance building a relationship.
Forecasting models have become daily exercises that help finance teams operate the business
Customer success should be creating a 'pacing-model' that can layout assumptions and adjust as time goes - this can be beneficial to finance teams
Revenue operations Is becoming a larger-trend In organizations -- retail operations has taken a similar approach to coordinate data and action within one organization
Finance organizations have transitioned from an abundance model Into an operational model
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 13, 2020 • 19min
Internal Communication and Board Reporting during COVID
Jay and Jeff take some time to hit on Internal Team Communication and Board Reporting:
Internal CommunicationFind ways to share the hypothesis and tactics that have been Implemented - possibly release this company-wide and Mondays/Fridays so everybody knows whats happening
Find Intimate 1v1 ways to record a video and share It with an Individual, a team or customers when trying to give updates
Board ReportingFocus on the retention forecast
Focus on the upcoming renewals
Leverage the board members to gather their Insight from the market (I.e. what're they seeing In other companies)
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 10, 2020 • 56min
Building relationships during uncertain times | ClientSuccess Webinar
Jay joins Mark Stoddard and Dave Blake of ClientSuccess as part of their CS Leadership Webinar Series.
Jay shares a few Insights we've picked up from the market on how to engage with customers during this crisis. Then after about 20 minutes there Is a Q&A with the audience to hit on relevant topics to CS leaders.
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 8, 2020 • 48min
Changing metrics and strategies | CS Leadership Office Hours
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Customer Engagement Modification:More human touch has been inserted into most companies tech-touch segments.
Further segmentation by industry, region, etc has been deployed to support customers that are experiencing business disruption
For booming industries, the lessons learned from tech touch have been applied up market to address the influx of new customers.
Messaging to customers should be owned jointly by the marketing team and Customer Success, as CS has a pulse on what their customers need at the moment.
Salespeople that normally focus on new logo acquisition can support the CS efforts if their pipeline is freezing, but a consideration for CS and Sales comp plans should be taken into account.
Changing Metrics and Strategies:Decreasing time to value during the onboarding phase has become necessary for companies that are experiencing higher volumes.We heard examples of decreasing TTV by 75% and by 90%!
Identifying the product/service MVP can not only bring value immediately now, but it can be worked into a typical onboarding process to increase customer sentiment during this phase.
There is an opportunity to learn from this time and understand what friction can be removed once we are back to business as usual.
While the KPIs and targets may change during this time, the overall metrics are largely the same.
A reprioritized effort on outreach and proactive support is a consistent theme we hear from Customer Success leaders.
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach

Apr 8, 2020 • 15min
How the job market will impact companies and individuals
Jay and Jeff sit down to talk about the job market at B2B SaaS organizations during this pandemic. A couple of quick hits:
Individuals need to find ways to stand out (LinkedIn connections, building a 'new version' of the resume)
Organizations need to be forecasting so that they can have the right staffing model
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This podcast is brought to you by Jay Nathan and Jeff Breunsbach of Customer Imperative, where we help B2B SaaS organizations build growth & retention strategies. Learn more at https://customerimperative.com/
Jay Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynathan/
Jeff Breunsbach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreybreunsbach