

Service Design Show
Service Design Show
Go beyond the basics of service design and learn what it truly takes to deliver services that make a positive impact on people, business and planet.
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Oct 1, 2020 • 53min
The organisation is just another design problem / Peter Merholz / Episode #110
Peter Merholz, an organizational design consultant and author of 'Org Design for Design Orgs', shares his insights on how organizational design is essential for service designers. He discusses the shift from product-based value creation to service-oriented strategies and how this impacts design leadership. Peter emphasizes the need for designers to drive organizational change and highlights the evolving role of design in enhancing customer experiences. Plus, listeners can participate in a contest to win a signed copy of his book!

Sep 24, 2020 • 37min
Finding success as an in-house service designer
The challenges in-house service designers face are quite unique.
In this episode you'll hear the stories from Karri, Jacquelyn and Rachel. All of them work in-house and are championing this field within their organisations.
What also connects Karri, Jacquelyn and Rachel is that the participated in the campfire sessions that took place in the summer of 2020.
The campfire is a safe place where in-house service designers can listen, share and connect with fellow practitioners.
Next to talking about the challenges they face Karri, Jacquelyn and Rachel will also give you some practical advice on how to be more successful as an in-house service designer.
I feel that you'll learn a lot from the stories in this episode. Even if you're not working in-house (yet).
If you're inspired by this episode inspires and think about joining the next campfire group head over to...
https://servicedesignshow.com/campfire

Sep 17, 2020 • 47min
Redesigning the design team / Lauren Serota / Episode #109
What is ultimate goal of service design? One could say that it's about making a positive impact on people, business and the planet.
If this is the case then you'll need to make sure that the solutions you design actually get into the world.
Design isn't just a research practice. It's a practice where creation and delivery is equally important.
But often the challenges you face as a service designer are too big to be solved through design alone. You need a team!
So what kind of team exactly is the most effective one at succesfully "shipping" services?
Well, that's what this episode of the Show is about where I'm joined by Lauren Serota.
In her last role as the head of service design at a major bank in Myanmar Lauren worked on developing and delivering microfinances services.
We talk about Laurens experience forming a team that was able to succesfully pull this off and the lessons she took away from that.
I feel that if you're facing challenges which are too big to be solved through design alone...
You'll definitely find the stories Lauren helpful!
--- [ GUIDE ] -—
00:00 Welcome to episode 109
02:20 Who is Lauren
03:00 60 second rapid fire
05:50 How your choices influence the world
07:25 Designing the breakdown points
09:20 The risks for design
13:00 Dealing with the God complex
14:40 The role of customer experience
18:30 Designing banking for the majority
21:35 Involving the organisation
25:00 The most convicing argument
26:15 Overcoming the biggest hurdle
28:50 Running organisations on spreadsheets
29:50 Creating artifacts that inspire change
33:20 What made it work
36:20 Clarity around the objective
37:50 What value are you adding
38:50 Evaluating success
41:10 Who are the best designers
43:20 The moral of the story
45:00 Recommended resources
45:45 Get in touch with Lauren
46:15 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* twitter.com/serota
* linkedin.com/in/serota/
* goodreads.com/book/show/39863330-broken-stars
* www.instagram.com/serota/
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Sep 3, 2020 • 47min
What makes service design work / Ben Reason / Episode #108
Your work as a service designer is not just about successfully finishing a single project. The goal is to contribute to long lasting change and influence the way of thinking within organisations.
Ben Reason makes the argument in this episode that "service design makes things more humane". If this is the case it's far too important to be driven you all the time.
So there is a lot at stake to change organisations through your work. Otherwise an organisation will quickly revert to their old ways of working once you're going.
But as you've probably experienced, creating long lasting change is not an easy task by any means.
On your journey you have to deal with a lot of organisational legacy which is fighting against this new approach called service design.
What this means is that as a modern service designer you need to be playing chess on 3 boards at the same time!
Just focussing on successfully delivering a project isn't enough anymore.
In this episode you're going to learn from Ben Reason what these 3 chess boards of service design are.
--- [ GUIDE ] -—
00:00 Welcome to episode 108
02:35 Who is Ben Reason
02:55 60 second rapid fire
05:15 How do you bring service design into organisations
09:05 Making things more humane
10:30 Tackling scary challenges
11:55 What is keeping us back
14:15 A rollercoaster ride
19:50 The real challenge in service design
22:25 The legacy of design
25:25 When things don't work out
27:55 Know what you're getting into
29:40 You need a mix of 3 things
32:40 Training clients on the job
36:20 Changes in service design
40:20 What if enterprise software was more like service design
41:10 The qualities of service design
42:10 Sustainability and service design
44:40 Get in touch with Ben
45:55 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/breasy/
* https://twitter.com/breasy
* https://www.liveworkstudio.com/
* https://www.liveworkstudio.com/articles/designing-in-the-anthropocene/
* Braiding Sweetgrass (book) - https://amzn.to/3jzX1vm
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Aug 20, 2020 • 45min
How to put a price on service design / Dan Mall / Episode #107
When it comes to putting a price tag on service design many people struggle. It can be hard to articulate the value that you create through your work. Therefor many service designers just avoid the topic in general.
What if you would treat the pricing of service design as a design challenge in itself where the goal is to come up with a solution where all parties benefit? The conversation about value, price and money becomes much less uncomfortable!
In this episode. Dan Mall explains how you can do that through an approached called value based pricing.
The things you're going to learn in this episode will not only help you to charge more for your work while at the same time delivering more value for your clients.
--- [ GUIDE ] -—
00:00 Welcome to episode 107
01:40 Who is Dan
03:20 60 second rapid fire
05:40 Why talking about value matters
08:30 Feeling valued
09:30 The stigma around business
11:00 Object value pricing
13:15 The basis of value pricing
15:00 Creating alignment around a goal
18:10 What is important to you
19:10 The dangerous separation between business and design
21:00 Challenger sales
24:10 Setting a benchmark
27:00 Prototyping with numbers
29:45 Giving guarantees
31:40 Pricing experiments
35:20 When do you start charging
38:00 Do this in every sales conversation
40:45 Look for win-wins
42:30 Recommended resources
43:30 Get in touch with Dan
43:55 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* http://danmall.me/
* https://twitter.com/danmall
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/danmall/
* https://superfriendlydesign.systems/
* https://www.relay.fm/presentable/59
* https://jonathanstark.com/
--- [ BOOKS ] ---
* https://abookapart.com/products/pricing-design
* https://www.winwithoutpitching.com/pricing-creativity/
* Implementing Value Pricing - https://amzn.to/3amGurq
* The Challenger Sale - https://amzn.to/2Dy35W4
* Shark Tales - https://amzn.to/2XRkLmd
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Aug 6, 2020 • 55min
Redesign systems to address complex challenges / Penny Hagen / Episode #106
As a customer you've probably already experienced that most services don't fail because of bad intentions. Often services fail because they run on top of systems that don't support a different outcome.
The classics "The computer says..." statement is just one of the many example.
This isn't just a major frustration for us as ordinary customers but also for us as professionals trying to make things better.
Let me ask you a question: How often have you been in a project where you had the mandate and budget to address these deeper systemic issues To my experience this almost never happens.
So we keep working on projects with a limited scope that only have a chance of delivering a temporary fix at best.
If you really want to address the bigger challenges in our organisations (and society) you have to shift your thinking from programs and projects to a more systemic mindset.
You need to work on changing the underlaying and supporting structures. Which is by no means is an easy thing to do.
Someone who has been pioneering this field for the last decade is Penny Hagen.
In this weeks episode Penny shares the lessons she learned around:
How to budget for systemic change?
How to measure progress?
And how to keep people motivated when they don't see tangible change right away?
I feel that this episode is especially valuable if your work currently has narrow scope and you feel like you're not getting the opportunity to address the root causes of challenges.
After listening the conversation with Penny you'll definitely have some ideas about how you can start making impact on a more fundamental level through your work.
--- [ GUIDE ] -—
00:00 Welcome to episode 106
02:45 Who is Penny
04:20 60 second question round
06:40 Adopting a more systemic and holistic view
12:50 Are we brave enough?
14:20 What we track is what we value
17:30 Helping people to see the value of our work
26:00 Showing results on different levels
30:45 We have to look inward for solutions
38:10 Don't keep it open
43:05 Did you make change
44:20 Nothing is out of scope
47:50 Scaling isn't about the what
50:20 Ways of working for complex challenges
52:50 Get in touch with Penny
53:35 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* http://twitter.com/pennyhagen
* https://twitter.com/codesignlab_akl
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/pennyhagen/
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Jul 23, 2020 • 40min
Overcoming the biggest fear in design / Natalia Agudelo / Episode #105
Taking risks is an inherit part of design. Trying things you haven't done before. Doing experiments. Exploring uncharted territory.
It's exactly these things that give us fulfilment and that we're frankly just very good at.
But doing this type of work has its price. And that price can be high.
When you're in the business of putting new things into the world you never know what the response will be.
The response might be praise but it also might be total rejection. We just don't know until it's out in the open.
And here lies a major problem...
Many designers tend to identify themselves with the things they design.
Which means that they take any type of response as an judgement about them rather than about the thing that you've put into the world.
This causes completely unnecessary stress, anxiety and mental suffering. And ultimately prevents you from giving everything you've got to the world.
Is there a solution? Yes, there is.
You have to find a way to be critical about your work while being compassionate for yourself at the same time.
In this episode Natalia Agudelo shares how she is trying break free from the struggles of identifying herself with her work.
The good news is that there are practical things you can do to adopt this mindset. It's a skill you can practice.
If you want to be a happier designer and deliver better work Natalia's story might provide you with some valuable insights on how to get there.
--- [ GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 105
01:40 Who is Natalia
05:00 Taking things as they are
06:40 Unnecessary stress
10:00 Addressing the lack of awareness
13:00 Be critical and compassionate
16:40 Separate yourself from the design process
19:15 Think about how you think
23:00 Develop your internal voice
25:00 The grass is greener where you water it
28:40 How can I open up
34:00 Practice kindness
36:00 Be more present
36:45 Recommended resources
38:25 Get in touch with Natalia
38:45 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliaagudelo/
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8695.The_Restaurant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe
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Jun 25, 2020 • 43min
How bridge the gap between strategy and design / Leon Hovanesian / Episode #103
In order to make real impact on customers and business you need to have influence on the strategy of an organisation. The truth is that strategy isn't necessarily associated with the practice of design.
So once you do start working on strategy it's very easy to get sucked into the traditional corporate culture and mindset. You'll tend drift away from the core values of design.
An important part of your job already is figuring out what the right thing is to do. So not getting involved with strategy isn't an option. Unless of course you're okay with letting others do the thinking and just focus on execution.
So how do you fully embrace strategic thinking without losing the thing that makes design so valuable?
In this episode Leon Hovanesian shares the lessons he learned on his journey.
You'll learn what it means to form and express a new identity. How to create bridges between disciplines. And why actions speak so much louder than words.
This is a great episode if you want to have more influence on business as a designer while staying true to our field.
--- [ GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 103
01:54 The interview
03:00 Who is Leon?
04:36 The balance between strategy and design
08:26 Ignoring strategy isn't an option
12:50 Jumping from design to strategy
14:30 Make it tangible and real
20:20 How do you get out
28:55 Show me what you do
33:40 Keep it simple
36:30 When will business become design
40:05 Get in touch
41:20 Closing words
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/leon-design-innovation/
* https://doblin.com/
* https://medium.com/chicago-business-designers
* Book: Good Strategy Bad Strategy - https://amzn.to/2Cz5uPh
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HOW TO EXPLAIN SERVICE DESIGN
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Jun 11, 2020 • 33min
How to balance leadership and facilitation / Linda Pulik / Episode #102
There's no doubt that your service design skills are needed more than ever these days. Many pressing (social) challenges have emerged over the last months. Challenges that just scream for a design approach.
The big question though is what's the most effective application of design in this context? Rushing in with our tools and methods isn't the best way to contribute to sustainable solutions.
In this episode Linda Pulik shares here experience with designing solutions for the social sector.
One of the key success factors seems to be that you have to find the perfect balance between being a design leader and a design facilitator. How to find that balance is center to the conversation in this episode.
In this episode you'll also learn what rise and fall of #DesignThinking means for the design community. There are many signs that design thinking has become a victim of it's own succes.
So the question becomes what's next? We as a design community need to look in the mirror and rethink the value we're delivering.
--- [ GUIDE ] ---
01:45 Who is Linda?
03:00 The first encounter with Service Design.
05:00 What if people who could make an impact in this epidemic would listen to real experts?
14:30 How far should designers insert themselves into the social sector?
23:30 How much design thinking is too much?
31:30 Big question: what has been the most unexpected application of your design expertise?
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindapulik/
* https://www.creativereactionlab.com/webinar-series
* https://www.talenthouse.com/i/united-nations-global-call-out-to-creatives-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19
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INSTAGRAM
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HOW TO EXPLAIN SERVICE DESIGN
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May 28, 2020 • 40min
How systemic thinking helps to design better solutions / Tristan Schultz / Episode #101
Tristan Schultz discusses how systemic thinking enhances design by opening new solution pathways. Topics include indigenous knowledge, challenges of universal design, and the significance of diverse worldviews in service design.