

Service Design Show
Service Design Show
Go beyond the basics of service design and learn what it truly takes to deliver services that make a positive impact on people, business and planet.
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5 snips
Oct 20, 2022 • 50min
When service and circular design collide / Bhavi Patel & Heydn Ericson / Circle #15
Sustainability is the innovation frontier of the 21st century -- and if you don't get on that train, you'll be lost.
This quote emerged during the recent conversation with Bhavi Patel and Heydn Ericson on the Show, where we explored the intersection between circular and service design. As it turns out, you, as a service design professional, are in a great position to push a more sustainable approach forward. Yes, even if it's currently not a priority in your organization.
In this episode, you'll hear practical examples of how to do this—helping you design services that aren't just good for your customers and business but also for our planet. The conversation also reveals how you can work towards making sustainability a fundamental design principle at the start of every project, not an afterthought. Small teaser, you need to make a compelling business argument... there are plenty.
All in all, an inspiring episode if you want to be more conscious about taking care of our environment in your own design practice. Enjoy, and especially this time, keep making a positive impact :)
- Marc
--- [ 1. GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to the Show
03:30 Who is Bhavi
04:00 Who is Heydn
05:00 How did we get here
09:30 Why us
12:45 Where are we today
15:15 What is at stake
18:00 Keep it simple
22:15 Create momentum
28:00 Sneaking it in
30:00 How does it relate to you
32:00 Common roadblocks
34:30 Accelerating adoption
38:00 Impact on services
42:00 Future perspective
45:30 Key takeaway
48:45 Closing thoughts
--- [ 2. LINKS ] ---
https://www.linkedin.com/in/heydn/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavinipatel/
https://koosservicedesign.com
https://www.sustainablebusinesscanvas.org
https://www.esgtoday.com
--- [ 3. CIRCLE ] ---
If you'd like to be part of these conversations as they happen rather than just getting the summary on the podcast, consider joining us in the Circle.
www.servicedesignshow.com/circle/

Oct 13, 2022 • 48min
Increase your influence with a simple question / Karen Baker / Episode #160
Having a seat at the table... That's what we often talk about in the service design field. And I would say rightfully so.
Because when you do get involved early, you have the opportunity to influence the direction of a project.
On the flip side, you could end up making the perfect solution for the wrong problem when you get involved late. But how do you get your business stakeholder to see and appreciate the strategic value you can bring early on?
That was the question Karen Baker and I explored in our recent conversation. Karen has a marketing background, and she looks at the challenges in our field from a slightly different perspective. As you'll hear, our conversation started by discussing design inclusivity, but...
We eventually landed upon one simple question that brings everything together. This simple question acts like your north star, compass, and light in the dark. This question is so good that it deserves its own t-shirt.
So want to get a seat at the table? Want to influence projects early? Want to make your design practice more inclusive? The clue to all of this is in this episode.
Enjoy the conversation, and keep making a positive impact!
--- [ 1. GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 160
03:45 Who is Karen
05:30 lightning round
07:30 Defining design for inclusivity
09:30 When did it start
13:00 Where do we need it
15:45 Including the community
17:30 Why now
19:45 Two examples
24:30 Guiding principles
27:00 Example from Lego
29:00 How do clients respond
32:30 What's surprising
35:00 Accelerating adoption
36:15 Getting leadership engaged
38:15 The question people aren't asking
41:00 Where is this heading
42:45 Lesson learned
45:30 Remember this one thing
46:45 Final thoughts
--- [ 2. LINKS ] ---
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/krbaker/
- https://www.weforum.org/press/2022/05/new-initiative-to-build-an-equitable-interoperable-and-safe-metaverse/
- https://www.marketingdive.com/news/degree-deodorant-inclusivity-metaverse-virtual-marathon/622609/
- https://designjustice.org
--- [ 3. CIRCLE ] ---
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Oct 6, 2022 • 17min
How to scale services in real life / Vinay Venkatraman / #SDGC22
What can you expect during the Service Design Global Conference 2022? Vinay Venkatraman is one of the speakers at the conference and in this video, you'll get a sneak preview of his talk. If you want to attend the conference check out the link and discount code down below.
[ 1. EPISODE GUIDE ]
00:00 Welcome
01:45 Who is Vinay
03:00 Main topic
04:45 Why this topic
07:15 Key lesson
10:45 Future perspective
13:15 Remember one thing
14:00 Reaching out to Vinay
14:45 Looking forward to
16:30 Closing thoughts
[ 2. LINKS ]
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/vinay85/
[ 3. CONFERENCE ]
Join the Service Design Global Conference on October 13 & 14, 2022.
Use the code SDSHOW to get a **20% discount** on your ticket.
https://hopin.com/events/service-design-global-conference-2022/registration

Oct 4, 2022 • 20min
Expanding our service design practice / Christian Bason / SDGC 2022
What can you expect during the Service Design Global Conference 2022? In this episode, you'll hear the closing keynote speaker, Christian Bason, share a preview. If you want to attend the conference check out the link and discount code down below.
[ 1. EPISODE GUIDE ]
00:00 Welcome
01:45 Who is Christian
03:00 The big idea
05:45 Designing with time
07:45 Who owns the agenda
10:00 Design is future-oriented
12:00 Life-centered design
13:45 The 6 expansions
16:30 The big question
17:15 Looking forward to
18:00 Closing thoughts
[ 2. LINKS ]
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/christianbason/
* https://expandthefuture.com
[ 3. CONFERENCE ]
Join the Service Design Global Conference on October 13 & 14, 2022.
Use the code SDSHOW to get a **20% discount** on your ticket.
https://hopin.com/events/service-design-global-conference-2022/registration

Sep 29, 2022 • 54min
Designing humanity at work / Marine Bucher / Episode #159
Here's something everyone knows but companies tend to ignore... It's tough to deliver a great customer experience when your employees are unhappy or unsatisfied.
So designing the employee experience is probably just as, if even not more, important than designing the customer experience. Someone who is a strong advocate for this is Marine Bucher, who has made it her mission to design humanity at work.
I sat down with Marine to talk about what it actually means to design the employee experience. In this episode, Marine shares some inspiring examples from her work. You'll also hear which companies are more open to investing in their employee experience and the common roadblocks that Marine has to overcome.
If you believe that a great customer experience starts inside your organization, then I'm sure this episode will inspire you.
--- [ 1. GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 159
02:45 Who is Marine
04:45 Lightning round
07:00 Topic introduction
09:15 Relationship to employee experience
10:30 What does success look like
12:00 How do you get involved
17:30 What is at stake
21:00 Project example
26:30 Harvesting stories
29:30 Justifying the value
33:00 Who wants this
34:30 The roadblocks
38:30 How to get started
40:30 Making it sustainable
44:00 Biggest misconceptions
45:30 Getting buy-in
49:30 Lessons learned
51:00 Closing thoughts
--- [ 2. LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/marine-bucher/
* https://www.humankind.nz/blog/
* https://www.excellent.io/
* Reusabowl - https://www.reusabowl.nz/
* Setting Boundaries (book) - https://amzn.to/3y0Gtq8
* Designing for designers (video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0D1pr0bgEQ
* including Assumptive persons and journey mapping - https://www.humankind.nz/documents/12/Good_Guides_-_The_Ultimate_Good_Guide_SOR86t5.pdf
* Stakeholder Analysis - https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-is-stakeholder-analysis/
--- [ 3. CIRCLE ] ---
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Sep 22, 2022 • 49min
How to effectively measure a service / Tim Dekker / Circle #14
Let's talk about a service designer's favorite topic... measuring impact. Why is it so d*mn hard!? We'll get to that in a minute.
Of course, the idea behind measuring the impact of your work is smart. When done right, it helps you to stay on track. Make sure your efforts actually make a positive contribution. And show you if you need to redirect your efforts to something else.
But often, we find that many things inside organizations are measured because they are easy to express in numbers... not because they are the right indicators of success. And this is exactly the challenge we run into as a service design community.
Showing the impact of our work across an entire service or customer journey is not easy. But this shouldn't stop us from trying, right?
That's why in a recent Circle community session, we explored:
How to overcome the limitations of existing ways of measuring
How to measure things that span multiple channels and departments
How to build a useful CX dashboard
Tim Dekker hosted the conversation, and I invited Tim to share the highlights from that session with you.
--- [ 1. EPISODE GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to the Show
04:30 Why this topic?
05:45 Who is Tim?
06:45 What do we have to gain?
10:00 Stuck in the middle
12:30 Leading and lagging indicators
14:30 Justifying our value
16:30 Where are these metrics
19:00 Getting started
24:30 Building your CX dashboard
27:45 Who wanted to hear this
30:00 Visualize the outcome
32:00 Physical services
34:00 How do you sell it
40:00 Lessons learned
42:30 New questions
44:30 The illusion of control
45:45 Key takeaways
--- [ 2. CIRCLE ] ---
If you'd like to be part of these conversations as they happen rather than just getting the summary on the podcast, consider joining us in the Circle.
www.servicedesignshow.com/circle/

Sep 15, 2022 • 57min
Understanding services and design in China / Zichuan Xiong / Episode 158
Here's a question you might not think about daily... How is service design practiced in China?
I'm always eager to learn about the (subtle) differences in how our field is perceived within different cultures. Why? Because seeing that there are other ways to approach things enriches my perspective and keeps me grounded about my way of working.
The goal isn't to copy what's being done in other places but rather to understand its reasoning and philosophy. That's why I was excited to have a conversation with Zichian Xiong recently on the Show. He currently lives and works in the USA, but Zichuan was also at the forefront when service design started to emerge in China. As he's seen both worlds, Zichuan is in a great position to articulate the relevant similarities and differences.
To get a good understanding of these similarities and differences, you'll hear about:
Who is driving the design movement? (it's not consultancies)
Which kinds of services are being designed in China and which ones aren't?
What is the state of design education?
Investing the time to listen and learn from stories like this, which give you a broader understanding of our field, is good practice for any professional. They help you to get out of your comfort zone and might hold the clue to connect the dots or spark a completely new insight.
I found this an eye-opening conversation, with much more to be explored. So it's exciting to think about where design could be heading in the next 5 years.
--- [ 1. GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 158
03:00 Who is Zichuan
04:15 Lightning round
07:45 Zichuans backstory
11:45 The context of service design in China
18:00 Perception of services
24:45 Design in China
27:15 The implications
32:00 Only two industries
37:00 State of design education
41:30 The next frontier
47:45 The one thing you need to know
52:30 Final thoughts
--- [ 2. LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/zichuan-xiong-94aa3b13/
--- [ 3. NEXT STEP ] ---
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Sep 8, 2022 • 49min
How to set up for successful service design projects? / James Field / Circle #13
I could have seen this coming... That's the last thing you want to say when your project isn't going well.
To minimize this risk, you'll need to identify red flags early on and work to create conditions for success. But it's challenging to talk about these topics with internal stakeholders before your project begins.
People are eager to start; it makes sense. And you don't want to be seen as the one who is delaying things unnecessarily or putting roadblocks up.
Before you climb a mountain, it's wise to take advice from someone who's done it before so that you don't get stuck halfway on your journey. In this case, you're the one who's climbed the mountain of a service design project, and your internal stakeholder is eager to embark on their first trip.
So how do you make it evident that you're doing your internal stakeholder a service by addressing the conditions for success early on? You're helping them avoid common pitfalls and saving them the embarrassment of cleaning up the mess when things go sour.
Well, in this episode, you'll hear three examples of how service design professionals have successfully managed to create the space to have these conversations with their stakeholders.
One of my takeaways is that you need to have a clear process and structure in place that guides you through the tough questions at the start of a project.
Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact :)
- Marc
--- [ EPISODE GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to the Show
04:00 Who is James
04:45 Why this topic?
08:45 What gives it away?
10:15 Do we need this?
12:15 Ignition conversation canvas
21:00 Kick-off workshop
24:00 Increased accountability
25:15 The learning mindset
28:00 The value is in the process
29:15 Framing service design
31:15 Knowing what's relevant
36:15 Slow down
39:30 The green flags
42:00 You want to hear it's important
44:15 Just do this one thing
47:15 Closing thoughts
--- [ CIRCLE ] ---
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Sep 1, 2022 • 1h 11min
How to achieve goals that are bigger than yourself / Chris Do / Episode #157
No, it's not the latest shoes... What does it take for a professional athlete to perform at their best?
Sure, she needs to have talent and be in top physical shape. But that's not enough. The top performing athletes are, for example, rigorous regarding their sleep, diet, and mental well-being. These things are the foundation for them to deliver a world-class performance.
Now, I have a weird assumption. A design professional and an athlete might have more in common than meets the eye. I bet you that the top-performing design professionals also have a set of rigorous habits, routines, and rituals that allow them to deliver their most impactful work.
I want to test this assumption in what might become an entirely new series on the Show. And who would be a better candidate for the first conversation about this than Chris Do? Chris Do is an educator and content creator who daily impacts the lives of thousands, if not millions, of creative professionals.
So I invited Chris to get down and personal. In this episode, you'll hear Chris talk about his relationship with aspects like mental health, physical health, and goal setting. Basically, we're trying to demystify what allows Chris to do what he does on a fundamental level.
So if you want to learn more about the life of a professional "design athlete" and what that means for you, don't miss this one!
This might sound a bit like clickbait, but I got amazed more than once during this conversation. Chris does some things that are entirely different from what I would describe as common sense :)
Enjoy the episode!
--- [ GUIDE ] ---
00:00 Welcome to episode 157
07:20 Who is Chris
09:00 Lightning round
11:00 Habits, rituals and, routines
13:00 Setting meaningful goals
17:15 Calibrating your internal compass
20:00 Nurturing reflective thinking
23:30 Expanding self-awareness
30:00 The morning routine
34:15 Looking for problems
38:00 Knowing who you are
43:30 The end of the day
46:00 Typical workday
48:15 Importance of breaks
49:15 Defining productivity
54:45 Finding a sense of accomplishment
59:15 Process versus outcome
1:02:45 Replacing harmful habits
1:06:15 Productivity habits
1:08:15 Final thoughts
--- [ LINKS ] ---
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/
* https://www.youtube.com/c/thefuturishere
Books
* How to Tell a Story - https://amzn.to/3e9KZeW
* What's Your Problem - https://amzn.to/3edrbaB
* The Compound Effect - https://amzn.to/3BafqL7
Podcasts
* https://radiolab.org
* https://themoth.org/radio-hour
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Aug 25, 2022 • 1h 4min
The simple way to get buy-in for service design?
Navigating the often tricky waters of service design requires more than just hope. Effective communication with stakeholders is crucial for gaining buy-in. Discover the importance of connecting service design to measurable business outcomes and mastering storytelling. Learn how to create both customer and business cases, and why early involvement in conversations is key. Explore strategies to foster collaboration and celebrate small wins, ultimately driving impactful change within organizations.