2 Pastors and a Mic

In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock close out their series on Enough Already with Chapters 14 & 15 - “Rethinking Church” and “Letting Go of the Mic.” They unpack what it means to be the church beyond Sunday services and how freedom comes when you release the need for performance and control.You’ll hear:🏠 How ReLife was born from a dream to serve the community beyond the building❤️ Why loving without strings attached is the most radical form of church🕊 The long, messy, and beautiful process of shifting from frustration to fruit🌎 What it looks like when passion meets purpose in real-world impact🎤 Why “letting go of the mic” isn’t quitting - it’s trusting God enough to share the stageThis episode will inspire you to see church differently, lead with love, and rest in the freedom of who you already are.👉 Grab Enough Already on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already...📚 Free eBooks & resources → https://coryrice.gumroad.com/🌐 Connect with us → https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Intro & Welcome 01:03 - First Lions Game Recap 02:45 - Book Finale Setup (Ch. 14–15) 03:39 - Banter & Pastor Appreciation 04:12 - Rethinking Church (Ch. 14) 05:24 - Birth of ReLife: Church Beyond Sundays 08:44 - Providence Moment: The Stove Story 10:33 - From 2018 to Now: The Long Process 13:36 - Both/And Church: Serving as “Church” 15:03 - Letting Go of the Mic (Ch. 15) 18:07 - Finale Reading: “Enough Already” 19:30 - Events & Invites 20:23 - You Are Loved (Sign-off)

What if success in ministry isn’t measured by numbers - but by love?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Chapters 12 & 13 of Enough Already - Mind the Fields and Lead with Love, Not Metrics. Together they unpack how healed identity reshapes the way we see people and how redefining success changes the way we lead.You’ll hear:🌱 Why every person carries love and divinity - even if they don’t know it👀 How to see others through the lens of Christ-in-you🧮 The “whiteboard moment” when metrics were erased for good❤️ Why stories of care matter more than Sunday numbers💡 Practical ways to measure success by love, not outcomesThis episode will encourage you to rethink how you see people and how you define success - in ministry, leadership, and life.👉 Grab Enough Already on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already...📚 Free eBooks & resources → https://coryrice.gumroad.com/🌐 Connect with us → https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Welcome Back & Listener Shout-Outs01:21 - Worship Live Recording Announcement (Nov 18)03:00 - Why We’re Doing This Series04:34 - Ch. 12: “Mind the Fields” — Seeing People Differently06:00 - The Three Fields: People, Provision & Perseverance08:22 - Christ in Everyone (Acts 17: “God’s Offspring”)09:20 - Reveal Jesus in People, Not to People11:53 - Ch. 13: Lead with Love, Not Metrics15:00 - The Whiteboard Moment: Erasing the Numbers15:34 - Sunday Is a Part, Not the Pinnacle16:20 - Measure Stories & Care, Not Attendance18:00 - Redefining Success Across Ministries19:47 - Youth Ministry Stories & Lessons20:52 - Free eBooks & New Release Schedule21:11 - Closing Challenge: Find Love & Divinity in Everyone22:01 - “Call No One Unclean” (Acts 10:28)23:05 - Outro

What if the greatest act of faith isn’t calming the storm - but resting in it?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Chapters 10 & 11 of Enough Already - Margin Saved My Life and Make Your Bed in the Boat. Together they explore the importance of building margin, fighting burnout, and learning to embrace rest as holy, not lazy.You’ll hear:🌱 How margin became a lifeline during sabbatical and beyond📅 Practical tools for scheduling relational, resource, and reflection time⚡ Why living without margin leads to hurry, burnout, and heaviness🌊 The Gospel story that redefines faith - not in calming storms, but in joining Jesus at rest💡 Why rest changes your perspective, your leadership, and your relationshipsThis episode will encourage you to rethink margin and discover peace in the midst of chaos.👉 Grab Enough Already on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068📚 Free eBooks & resources → https://coryrice.gumroad.com/🌐 Connect with us → https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Intro & Audience Feedback00:28 - Book Promotion & Gratitude01:00 - Processing While Podcasting01:28 - Wild Week Recap & Julia’s Sermon02:00 - Women’s Retreat & Shoutout to Pastor Linda02:27 - Forgiving Yourself & Practical “4 Rs”02:34 - Transition to Chapters 10 & 1103:15 - Chapter 10: Margin Saved My Life03:42 - Looking Back to Episode 2: “Get You Some”04:36 - Developing Margin During Sabbatical05:55 - Leadership Weight During COVID Season06:42 - Matthew 11:28 and the Call to Rest07:11 - Tears in the Parking Lot & Ministry Pressure07:31 - Learning to Create Intentional Margin08:45 - Fighting the Feeling of Laziness09:36 - Burnout, Bandwidth & Boundaries10:07 - Burnout: Who You Do It With Matters10:46 - How to Schedule Margin Practically11:46 - The Three Non-Negotiables: Relational, Resource, Reflection Time12:28 - Importance of Date Nights & Relational Time13:00 - Resource & Reflection Practices for Renewal13:58 - Scheduling Margin as Non-Negotiable14:45 - Book: The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry15:22 - Slow Living & Easy and Light Living15:49 - Chapter 11: Make Your Bed in the Boat16:17 - The Gospel Story of Jesus Sleeping in the Storm17:19 - The True Act of Faith: Resting with Jesus18:46 - Learning to Trust the Journey19:19 - Rest as Holy, Not Lazy20:41 - Episode 84 Throwback: Boat & Mattress Sermon21:33 - Rest vs. Laziness & The Importance of Peace22:11 - Tattoo Story & Rest as a Life Motto22:34 - Chapter 11 as a Book Turning Point23:06 - The Shift Toward Peace and Perspective23:38 - Dance in the Fountain Story from Sabbatical24:25 - Closing Reflections: Live Light, Live Free25:34 - Final Encouragement: You Are Loved

What drains the soul and what restores it?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Chapters 8 & 9 of Enough Already - What Brings A Soul Back To Life? and I Can’t Do This Alone. Together, they dive into the impact of social media, division, and image management on the soul, and why honesty, grace, and connection are the real nutrients we all need.You’ll hear:💭 Honest reflections on division, leadership, and social media pressure🤝 How relationships and reconciliation reflect the way of Jesus⚡ Why grace and truth are not opposites but inseparable in Christ🌱 The 22 relational nutrients that transform marriages, friendships, and leadership🙌 Practical ways to ask for what you need and build deeper connectionsThis episode will help you breathe again - reminding you that your soul thrives in safe, grace-filled relationships.👉 Grab Enough Already on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068📚 Free eBooks & resources → https://coryrice.gumroad.com/🌐 Connect with us → https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Intro & Welcome00:20 - Reviews, Reverse Psychology & Book Plug00:55 - Free eBooks & Resources Mention01:01 - Processing a Heavy Week01:16 - Sunday Sermon Recap: Polar Opposites at the Table01:42 - Leadership Stress & Wanting to Quit02:16 - Online Division & Social Media Turmoil02:49 - Friend’s Post: Focus on Family & Faithfulness03:38 - Processing an Assassination & Public Division04:33 - Christianity & Empire Warning05:00 - Private Conversations vs. Online Reactions05:19 - Minority Voices & Algorithmic Division05:55 - Ribbon Cutting Ceremony & Insight: “I Only Know in Part”06:42 - Segue to Chapters 8 & 9: Relationships Matter07:15 - Jesus Calling Simon the Zealot & Matthew the Tax Collector08:08 - Doing Life Together Despite Differences08:40 - Relationships & Unity Over Division09:08 - Chapter 8: What Kills a Soul, What Restores a Soul09:43 - Honesty, Grace & Connection as Soul Restorers10:26 - Kingdom Message: Reconciliation & Identity10:28 - Grace and Truth Are Not Opposites11:32 - Jesus as Grace and Truth in One12:11 - Calling Out Without Relationship13:00 - Image Management & Soul Exhaustion13:42 - The Soul Thrives on Grace, Connection & Honesty14:09 - Do We Need to Share Opinions Online?14:22 - Value of Relationships & Dialogue with Grace15:06 - Chapter 9: I Can’t Do This Alone15:20 - Relational Needs & John Townsend’s 22 Nutrients16:04 - The Challenge of Asking for What You Need17:00 - Examples: Celebration, Affirmation, Containment18:33 - Group Therapy & The Power of Asking Directly20:05 - How Relational Nutrients Changed Marriage & Counseling21:00 - Removing “I Don’t Know” & Naming Needs21:32 - Using This Framework in Marriage & Leadership22:23 - Most People Don’t Need Advice, They Need Presence23:56 - Clarifying Needs for Better Care & Resources25:23 - Why This Approach Is a Cheat Code for Connection26:19 - Closing Thoughts: Put It Into Practice26:44 - Resources, Books & Local Cohort Invite27:17 - Final Encouragement: You Are Loved

What does it really mean to accept your weaknesses and still move forward with strength?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Chapters 6 & 7 of Enough Already - The Power of Integration and You’ve Worn These Shoes Well. Together, they explore what it looks like to accept negative realities, share vulnerably, and ultimately make choices from freedom instead of pressure.You’ll hear:💭 Honest struggles with selfishness, criticism, and body image⚡ Why integration is about acceptance and growth🙌 How vulnerability creates stronger connections and bonds👟 The pivotal moment of choosing ministry by choice, not obligation🎬 Lessons from Ted Lasso on being real and building trustThis conversation is raw, encouraging, and practical - helping you see that your weaknesses don’t disqualify you; they make you human.👉 Grab Enough Already on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068📚 Free eBooks & resources → https://coryrice.gumroad.com/🌐 Connect with us → https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Intro & Audience Welcome00:45 - Reviews, Support & Superman Feedback01:00 - Question of the Week & Football Talk01:43 - Cory’s Ninth eBook Release02:47 - Upcoming Cohort & Open Spots03:08 - Preface to Chapters 6 & 703:34 - Chapter 6: The Power of Integration04:18 - Accepting Negative Realities05:55 - Knowledge vs. Communication Struggles08:22 - Admitting Selfishness & Personal Weaknesses09:42 - Excellence vs. Good Enough10:53 - Body Image & Self-Acceptance12:12 - Criticism, Leadership & Growth13:45 - Hyper-Critical Lens & Finding Contentment15:13 - Inappropriateness & Excuses15:59 - Vulnerability & Group Therapy Insights17:22 - Honoring the Journey & Messy Parts18:42 - Ted Lasso Example of Vulnerability20:32 - Chapter 7: You’ve Worn These Shoes Well21:20 - Pastoral Pressure & Considering Other Paths23:00 - Exploring Career Alternatives24:19 - Choosing Ministry by Choice, Not Obligation25:46 - Book Impact & Recommendations26:39 - Closing Challenge: Find Safe People27:30 - Local Event Announcement28:03 - Final Encouragement: You Are Loved

Why do we keep thinking happiness is always in the next season?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Chapters 4 & 5 of Enough Already - Destination Addiction and Imposter Syndrome. These two struggles often keep us from living fully in the present and embracing who we already are.You’ll hear:⏳ What “destination addiction” really is and how it robs us of joy💭 The 5 types of imposter syndrome (and which ones we struggle with most)🙌 Practical ways to celebrate small wins and be where your feet are👀 Honest behind-the-scenes stories of leadership, family life, and faith⚡ Why awareness is powerful but celebration is essentialThis episode will encourage you to slow down, embrace the season you’re in, and release the pressure of “should” so you can live free and fully present.📚 Get Channock’s book Enough Already: [https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068]📚 Download Cory’s free ebook: [https://coryrice.gumroad.com/l/emotionallywhole]🌐 Learn more about ReLife or get involved: https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Welcome & Audience Shoutouts00:38 - Football Season & Family Life01:00 - Podcast Support & Gratitude01:55 - Shoutout to Lissa in the Netherlands02:50 - Ministry Blueprints & Invitation03:15 - Chapters 4 & 5: Destination Addiction & Imposter Syndrome03:31 - Previous Sermons & Podcast Episodes04:23 - Processing These Topics Over Years05:00 - Discovering the Language of Imposter Syndrome06:16 - Destination Addiction Explained07:30 - If/Then Thinking & Lack of Contentment08:58 - Personal Struggles with Destination Addiction10:00 - Celebrating One vs. Chasing More12:16 - Parenting, Seasons of Life & Contentment13:02 - Emotional Growth as Climbing the Mountain13:48 - Celebrating Milestones vs. Always Wanting More14:50 - Applying Celebration to Everyday Life15:20 - Imposter Syndrome Overview (5 Types)15:53 - Superman Struggles & Perfectionism16:43 - Cory’s Expert Imposter17:27 - Growth, Flexibility & Ongoing Struggles18:35 - Leadership, Capacity & Saying No20:23 - Balancing Roles & Communication Challenges21:23 - Process, Shame & Pool Stories22:03 - Celebration Practices & Counseling Insights23:39 - Be Where Your Feet Are24:50 - Closing Thoughts & Next Week’s Preview25:27 - Final Encouragement: You Are Loved

What happens when the voice of should runs your life?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Chapters 2 and 3 of Enough Already - The Shame of Should and I Got Robbed. Together they explore how shame-driven expectations steal our joy, how people-pleasing and performance pressure shape our decisions, and how to reclaim freedom in the present moment.You’ll hear:😔 The hidden weight of “should” and how it shapes identity🙋 Stories of people-pleasing, performance, and insecurity😂 Karaoke, dancing, and other ways shame robs us of joy💡 Why awareness is 50% of the battle in overcoming shame🙌 How to find joy in the season you once prayed forThis episode will challenge you to ask: What areas of my life are being robbed by shame? And it will encourage you to reclaim joy, presence, and freedom right where you are.📚 Get Channock’s book Enough Already: [https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068]📚 Download Cory’s free ebook: [https://coryrice.gumroad.com/l/emotionallywhole]🌐 Learn more about ReLife or get involved: https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Intro & Shoutouts01:01 - Soccer Season & Senior Year Reflections01:41 - Sharing the Podcast & New Listeners02:27 - Rethinking God with Tacos Connection02:50 - Diving into Enough Already (Ch. 2 & 3)03:05 - The Shame of Should04:01 - Gathering Stories of Shame05:51 - People-Pleasing & Early Influences07:22 - Pressure to Always Have the Answer08:59 - Overcompensating in Other Areas09:59 - Impromptu vs. Over-Prepared Speaking11:10 - Cory’s “Should” of Always Doing More12:58 - Ministry Pressure & Workload Shame14:18 - Fear of Not Knowing or Communicating Enough15:55 - Awareness & Work in Progress16:31 - Transition to Chapter 3: I Got Robbed17:22 - Karaoke, Dancing & Shame Stealing Joy18:41 - Competitiveness & Losing Joy in Winning20:24 - What’s Robbing Joy in This Season?22:04 - Changing Perspective & Reclaiming Joy22:48 - Closing Reflection: Mindset & Freedom23:35 - Book Invitation & Final Thoughts24:37 - You’re Loved & Nothing Can Change That

What if your worth had nothing to do with your performance?In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Chapter 1 of Enough Already, unpacking the story behind the book and the deeper journey from the private hell of performance to the freedom of knowing you’re enough.You’ll hear:✨ The hilarious origin of “Shancock Bante” and why it still matters today💭 How performance culture shapes identity (and how to break free from it)🛑 The inner vows and false beliefs that keep us striving🙌 A vulnerable look at pastoral pressure, insecurity, and emotional health📚 Why this book isn’t a “how-to” but a real-life journey toward freedomIf you’ve ever struggled with the question Am I enough? this episode will encourage and challenge you to lay down the mask and embrace your true identity.📚 Get Channock’s book Enough Already: [https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068]📚 Download Cory’s free ebook: [https://coryrice.gumroad.com/l/emotionallywhole]🌐 Learn more about ReLife or get involved: https://thepowerofre.com00:00 - Welcome & Global Listeners00:37 - Reviews, Support & Feedback01:06 - Refined Series & Deconstruction Sermon02:19 - One-Star Reviews & Funny Feedback03:14 - Audience Engagement & Accessibility03:44 - Introducing Enough Already04:55 - How the Book Got Its Title06:17 - Writing Journey & Shift in Focus08:01 - Emotional Health & Healing Journey09:42 - Performance, Identity & Freedom11:04 - Processing Insecurities & Growth12:00 - The Aruba Story: Becoming Shancock Bante14:20 - Performance Pressure Growing Up17:18 - Put on the Spot in Ministry19:41 - Performance-Driven Preaching20:49 - The “Jordan Flu Game” Sermon22:18 - Counseling, Core Wounds & Striving23:29 - Masks, Shame & Inner Vows26:01 - Freedom from Performance & Finding Peace27:34 - How This Book Differs from Leadership Guides28:56 - A Glimpse into the Journey29:57 - Closing: Share the Book & What’s Next

In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we share the jaw-dropping true story from Guatemala that’s challenging our doubts and reigniting our faith for miracles - both big and small.You’ll hear:🌱 The backstory of Casa Angelina and their mission to raise orphans into royalty🥑 How one “impossible” harvest turned into four🙏 Honest reflections on miracles, unanswered prayers, and faith in the in-between💡 Why some miracles look supernatural… and others look like steady faithfulnessWhether you’re in a season of doubt, expectancy, or somewhere in between, this story will challenge and inspire you to believe again - for the big, the small, and everything in between.00:00 - Intro & Podcast Update01:00 - Setting Up the Guatemala Story02:04 - Overview of Casa Angelina Orphanage03:29 - The 8-Acre Farm & Incredible Produce05:01 - Avocado Trees & Harvest Timeline06:27 - Unexpected Early Harvest Miracle08:47 - Multiple Harvests in One Year11:14 - Processing Miracles & Personal Doubts13:06 - A Family Miracle Story14:16 - Hurt from Unanswered Prayers15:26 - Forest Frank’s Healing Story15:53 - Renewed Expectancy for Miracles18:25 - Believing for More Miracles18:38 - Everyday Provision as a Miracle20:41 - Gifting of a House for Ministry21:58 - Recognizing Small and Big Miracles23:35 - The True Miracle: The Kids24:37 - Encouragement to Believe Again24:54 - Closing Remarks & Resources

After taking the summer off, Channock and Cory are back in the studio for a brand-new episode of Two Pastors and a Mic! In this episode, they share a full summer recap - from wild travel stories in Africa and Guatemala to exciting updates with ReLife, a powerful nonprofit initiative providing housing for single moms.They also dive into the release of Channock’s book, Enough Already, Cory’s new emotional health ebook, and an upcoming 2026 intensive program. Plus, don’t miss the hilarious Ben Stiller story, the royalty necklace ceremony that empowered 80 Guatemalan kids, and a powerful conversation about what it means to live as royalty as sons and daughters of God.00:00 – Welcome Back & Intro00:42 – Audience Feedback on Shane Willard Episodes02:15 – Shoutouts to Listeners & Supporters04:22 – Funny Aldi & Ben Stiller Story06:20 – Global Podcast Audience & Travel Updates07:14 – Summer Recap & Back to Routine09:03 – ReLife Updates: New HQ & Housing Projects11:18 – ReLife Becomes an Official Nonprofit13:07 – Book Release: Enough Already14:27 – New Emotional Health Ebook & 2026 Intensive17:00 – Africa Trip Experiences & Culture of Honor21:32 – Necklace Ceremony & Bringing African Culture Home23:59 – Empowering Orphans in Guatemala with Royalty Ceremony26:05 – Hilarious Rat Story During African Service27:21 – Reflections on Summer Ministry & Services28:38 – Living as Royalty: Empowerment Message31:58 – Closing Thoughts: You Are Loved & RoyaltyResources & Links:- Get Channock’s book Enough Already: [https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068]- Download Cory’s free ebook: [https://coryrice.gumroad.com/l/emotionallywhole]- Learn more about ReLife or get involved: https://thepowerofre.comDon’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe!