2 Pastors and a Mic

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Zoran from Macedonia to talk about grace, calling, and the beauty of living a life led by the Spirit. His stories, prophetic insight, and heart for people will leave you encouraged and challenged. Don’t miss this powerful conversation!00:08 - Intro and Welcome01:20 - Special Guest Introduction: Zoran03:00 - First Encounter and Prophetic Encouragement04:10 - Zoran’s Family and Global Ministry06:45 - Embracing Grace and Loving All People10:00 - Ministry Work in Macedonia13:00 - Activating Hidden Callings in Others16:00 - Prophetic Words and Long-Term Impact18:30 - Faith, Grace, and Practical Spirituality20:45 - The Power of Words and Unexpected Impact22:00 - Encouragement from James 1:1724:00 - Life Is a Gift and Perfect Moments25:00 - Zoran’s Website and Social Media26:00 - Closing Thoughts and Book Promo27:00 - Final Blessing and Sign-Off

In this episode, we’re joined by the brilliant Shane Willard for a powerful and thought-provoking conversation on the gospel, reconciliation, and why Jesus prioritized tables over tablets. Despite a technical glitch, this AI-enhanced episode captures one of the richest interviews we’ve ever had. Shane unpacks theology with humor, clarity, and depth - covering everything from Acts 8 to redefining righteousness, and why true spirituality is about digging deeper wells, not building higher fences.➡️ Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe.📘 Preorder Channock’s new book Enough Already (releasing June 25)🌐 Learn more about Shane at shanewillardministries.org00:00 - Intro & Audio Glitch Explanation01:00 - Celebrating 100K Downloads02:17 - Introducing Shane Willard03:48 - Cultural Impact & Leadership at Hill City05:48 - Wells vs. Fences Metaphor09:01 - Acts 8 & The Ethiopian Eunuch12:59 - Static Bible vs. Living Word16:00 - Philip’s Dilemma & Living Scripture17:30 - Shane's Theological Journey21:36 - Reclaiming the Meaning of Words25:30 - Righteousness, Generosity, and Biblical Language29:30 - Tables vs. Tablets & Reconciliation35:30 - Philippians Preview & No Grumbling Message39:00 - Where to Find Shane Willard43:00 - Missions & Children's Homes45:30 - Closing Declaration

In this final episode of the “Let’s Talk About Hell” series, we answer listener questions, unpack common objections, and offer five reasons to follow Jesus that have nothing to do with eternal punishment. It’s not fear that transforms us - it’s love, peace, and purpose.This isn’t about abandoning faith - it’s about deepening it.00:00 - Welcome & No Question of the Week00:26 - Celebrating a Record-Breaking Week01:01 - Listener Highlight: Jordan’s Testimony02:20 - Shoutouts to the Team & Studio Upgrade03:01 - Handmade Gift from Bobby03:52 - Gratitude for the Hill City Team04:46 - Jumping into Week 4 of “Let’s Talk About Hell”05:41 - Reminder: This Isn’t Exhaustive Theology06:16 - Upcoming Conference with Shane Willard06:56 - Transforming Gehenna: The Redeeming God08:52 - Rapid Fire Listener Questions09:19 - Does Suicide Send You to Hell?10:18 - What About Revelation 21:8?11:32 - The “Depart from Me” Verses12:26 - Common Questions About Hell & Christianity12:48 - If There’s No Hell, Why Follow Jesus?13:52 - Dr. Matt Pandell & Jacob Wright Quotes14:50 - Reframing Evangelism Without Fear15:28 - Reason 1: Abundant Life Now (John 10:10)16:20 - Understanding Union With Christ17:33 - John 20: Purpose of the Gospel18:14 - Reason 2: Responsibility to Bring Heaven Now19:05 - Brian Zahnd: People Need Love, Not Threats20:01 - Why This Matters More Than Afterlife Doctrine21:00 - Real Life Campaign: Being the Church Daily21:58 - Reason 3: Living Intentionally & Leaving a Legacy23:11 - Writing Books for Generational Impact24:00 - Citizenship in Heaven, Residency on Earth24:34 - Reason 4: Perspective in Pain25:48 - Reason 5: Peace That Surpasses Understanding27:23 - Evangelism as Restoration, Not Saving Souls28:30 - Closing Thoughts: Peace Over Fear29:10 - Belief Activates the Truth in You29:27 - Final Word: You Are Loved—And Nothing Can Change That

In this week’s episode, we dive into part 3 of our series on Hell - challenging traditional beliefs about hell, unpacking Jewish and early church perspectives, and exploring why fear has no place in the gospel. We share listener feedback, address theological criticism, and ask some hard but necessary questions about God's love, judgment, and what it really means to follow Jesus.Whether you're curious, skeptical, or wrestling with your own faith journey, this conversation is meant to open dialogue - not shut it down.00:00 - Welcome & Podcast Intro00:23 - The Purpose Behind These Conversations01:16 - Feedback and Questions from Listeners02:04 - Responding to Online Criticism03:30 - Coloring Books, Theology, and Humor05:06 - Nearly 100K Downloads & Gratitude05:41 - Preaching About Hell at Church06:54 - Why We Talk About Hell Publicly07:59 - Announcing the New Ebook on Judgment & Wrath08:42 - Week 3: What the Hell Series Intro09:27 - Recap of the Four Hell Words in Scripture10:04 - Diversity of Jewish Thought on the Afterlife11:19 - Olam Haba & Resurrection Beliefs11:59 - Gehenna as Temporary Purification12:48 - Recommended Deep Dive: John Crowder Teaching13:35 - God's Fire as Healing, Not Harm14:12 - Powerful Quotes About God's Wrath14:52 - Fire Reveals the True Self16:00 - The Real Goal: Removing Fear from Theology17:04 - Biblical Love Casts Out Fear17:16 - A Biblical View of Hell as Earthly Experience18:19 - Hell as Earthly Suffering, Not Afterlife Threat19:02 - 70 AD vs. Afterlife: What Was Jesus Talking About?19:49 - Hell Shouldn't Be in Gospel Presentations20:56 - Adam vs. Jesus: Who Holds More Power?21:25 - Paul’s Gospel Never Mentions Hell22:10 - What the Disciples Did—and Didn’t—Say About Hell23:16 - No NT Precedent for Hell in the Gospel23:49 - Old Covenant vs. New Covenant Logic Breakdown24:46 - Jesus as High Priest vs. OT Priests25:12 - Challenging Question: Is Eternal Hell Logical?26:04 - The Tragic Case of Andrea Yates27:06 - Atonement Theory Breakdown: Did Jesus Suffer Hell?28:13 - Jesus Defeated Death—Not Suffering in It28:42 - God Is Love, Not Death and Torture29:18 - Defining Hell: No Longer Being Able to Love29:35 - Empowerment to Manifest Heaven30:15 - Manifesting Heaven or Hell: You Choose30:49 - Closing Reminder: You Are Loved

Join us for week two on our conversation about hell.00:00 - Welcome and Podcast Intro00:23 - Celebrating Feedback from Last Episode01:46 - Shoutouts to Supporters and Hill City Church03:09 - Theology Must Lead to Love04:26 - Personal Encouragement and Emotional Funk05:45 - Why We’re Talking About Hell: Removing Fear06:59 - Challenging Harmful Beliefs and Church History08:05 - Clarifying Early Church Views on Hell09:53 - Foundations and Origins of Hell11:05 - Gehenna and Jesus’ Use of Fire Metaphors11:51 - Understanding Destruction and Restoration12:48 - Wrestling with Free Will and God's Mercy13:55 - Did Jesus Really Talk About Hell More Than Anything?15:04 - Unpacking Gehenna, Hades, and Hell Translations17:02 - Exploring the Four Words Translated as Hell18:47 - Jesus’ Context for “Gates of Hades”20:17 - Tartarus and Its Misunderstood Meaning21:40 - Deep Dive into Gehenna23:12 - 70 AD Destruction and Jesus’ Warnings25:01 - Prophetic Warnings from Jeremiah and Isaiah27:01 - Symbolism Behind “Worms” and “Unquenchable Fire”28:53 - James and the Tongue Set on Fire by Gehenna30:21 - The Importance of Studying End Times (Eschatology)32:07 - Final Thoughts on Debate and Interpretation33:39 - Key Question: Does Your Belief Serve You Well?34:55 - Ending in Love, Not Fear

Since we just talked through seven weeks of church trauma/spiritual abuse, the largest issue stems from fear. Fear and our lack of understanding around hell has caused a lot of damage in the lives of people. If you're open to the conversation, let's have it...00:00 - Intro & Why Today Matters00:53 - Easter Recap & Record Attendance02:27 - Preaching Two Services03:33 - “We Is Risen” Revelation05:10 - What the Podcast Will Unpack06:03 - Church Trauma Recap07:57 - Fear in the Church & Gospel09:25 - Perfect Love Casts Out Fear10:31 - Wrestling with Belief and Growth11:57 - Doubt Builds Trust13:16 - A Call to Curiosity14:30 - Recommended Resources on Hell15:59 - Book Breakdown & Hell Views17:10 - Journey of Changing Beliefs18:24 - Three Views of Hell Explained20:08 - Problems with Fear-Based Salvation21:26 - Perfect Love & Repentance22:49 - History of Hell’s Doctrine25:00 - The 6 Early Theological Schools27:02 - Justinian & Roman Control28:33 - Selling Salvation Through Fear30:03 - Augustine’s Influence & Original Sin32:02 - What Jesus Actually Taught33:29 - The Word “Hell” in Translation35:00 - A Call to Reevaluate & Discuss

We hope to be a safe haven for people on their faith journey. Let's talk about the trauma that many people went through in Scripture. Not to compare or downplay ours, but to relate, empathize, and know we're not alone.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by mean Christians.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by over-spiritualization - where we credit God for things He doesn't do and say things to grieving people that aren't helpful.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by improper humility - the teaching that causes people not to love themselves, trust themselves, or trust their God given intuition.