The Copywriter Club Podcast

On the 274th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Anna Rosa Parker joins the show. Anna is a brand alchemist and wordsmith who helps artists and creatives develop their brand personality using a holistic approach. In this episode, she uncovers how she uses her background and roots to get what she wants and how we can step into our own inner Viking. Here’s what we chat about: The shift from actor and screenwriter to copywriter. Feeling pulled in many directions and being multi-passionate. How knocking on doors can help you acquire new skills. Why Anna decided to leave acting and the mindset that led her in a different direction. How you can use the open-door policy to ask for what you want. Why you need to learn how to be fearless and how to step into your inner Viking. The equality in CEOs and janitors. The benefits of being in the marketing space, and how it can satisfy your ever growing desire to learn. Taking big chances when you don’t have a direction and how community can guide you when you feel lost. The difference in doing copy WITH vs FOR you. Is it a service you should offer? How you can utilize parts of your past into the present and future. The pros and cons of working with agencies. The key to writing holistic copy. Anna’s process in working with artists to find their brand identity. The underlying definition of creating a brand. Attracting clients by being 100% yourself and knowing exactly who you want to attract. Podcast creation and how it came about. Working with a partner who connects with your artist mindset. The struggles of being an artist and how to overcome them. The difference between building a business as an artist vs a marketer. Tune into the episode to find out how you can step into your inner Viking to ask for what you want. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Accelerator Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Anna's website Justin's website Episode 33 Episode 202 Full Transcript: Rob:  There's a book that we've referenced on the podcast in the past a couple of times. It's called The Alter Ego Effect, and its author is Todd Herman. And the big idea from the book is that you can adopt a different identity to help you show up in new ways in the various roles of your life, kind of like Clark Kent and Superman. Superman can't just be a normal person, so he puts on a suit and glasses and he pretends to be a reporter, in order to show up in an important way in his life. Today's guest for The Copywriter Club Podcast is Anna Rosa Parker. She's adopted an alter ego that she describes as a viking in heels, and it helps her to accomplish big things in her business. Actually, it's not fair to say that she's adopted that alter ego because, like Clark Kent, Superman is the real person, and Anna is the real Viking showing up as a brand strategist most days in her business. We'll hear more about that in a minute, but first let me introduce my guest commentator to for today, Justin Blackman. Justin, welcome. Justin:  Man. It is fun to be here. I always love talking with you guys. Rob:  Yeah. For anybody who hasn't heard you, which if you've listened to the podcast more than a handful of times, they've probably heard you mentioned or be a guest. Justin's a copywriter, brand voice expert. He's been a guest on the podcast twice before, episode 59, where he talked about his 100 headline project, the thing that kind of put him in the map, and episode 216, when he came back and shared his approach to brand voice. And if I'm not mistaken, I don't have these episodes in front of me, Justin, you've come back and you've asked Kira and I questions on one or two episodes. Justin:  I did. Rob:  I feel like maybe it's your fifth time here. Justin:  I think this is the fourth, actually. Yeah. Rob:  Yeah, fourth appearance.

On the 273rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by 3 guests. Peta O'Brien-Day, Tori Autumn, and Demetrius Williams join the show to talk about their experience inside The Copywriter Accelerator. The Accelerator Program is our signature program to help new-ish copywriters build the foundations they need to have a successful copywriting business. Whether you decide to join or not, this episode is filled with actionable advice no matter what stage of business you’re in. Here’s what we talk about: How The Copywriter Club Accelerator can help transform your business. Why people decide to join + how you may feel when you’ve hit a ceiling in your business. The key to fast-tracking your business. Hint: Systems and processes play a big role. How to go from order-taker to business owner (and stay that way). 3 books you may want to add to your bookshelf in 2022. The secret(s) to shifting your money and pricing mindset, so you can increase your prices. Why it’s important to dedicate time to your business AND business development. Balancing the different roles you play in your business and outsourcing what you can. The benefits of accountability, and how it will propel you forward faster. How branding yourself can be like therapy. Should you start before you’re ready? How to juggle life and business while going through an immersive program. Niching yourself based on your values. Creating packages that feel good and don’t overwhelm you. Why it’s a good thing to change your brand over time. The best time to invest in yourself. Hit play or check out the transcript, so you can jot down and implement the advice in this episode. Ready to hit accelerate on your business? Check out the Accelerator by hitting the link below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Accelerator The Copywriter Underground Peta's website Tori's website Demetrius's website    Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  If you're a regular listener to The Copywriter Club Podcast, you know that it's rare for us to have more than one guest on a single episode. But today we're going to do things a little differently. We've invited three different members of the current cohort of The Copywriter Accelerator to join us, to talk about their experience in this transformative program. Kira Hug:  We'll let these copywriters introduce themselves in a moment, but first, let me just say, if you're tempted to skip this episode, because you're not interested in this program, it could be worth giving it a quick listen because many of the takeaways they share about the changes they've made to their businesses apply to copywriting businesses at every single stage. And these writers are doing some pretty cool things in their businesses. You might be inspired by what they've done, and maybe even borrow an idea or two for your own business. Rob Marsh:  At this point in the program, we would usually say something like this episode is brought to you by The Copywriter Accelerator. And then we would tell you all of the reasons why you should consider joining. We're not going to do that today. Other than to say that after listening to this episode, take a moment to visit thecopywriteraccelerator.com and see what this program is all about. And see for yourself whether or not it's something that you should consider for your business this year. Kira Hug:  So, let's jump in with our guests. We are so excited today to be here with some of our Accelerator members, members who are currently in the program, which we're about to wrap up this month. And so before we dive into this conversation and ask you all a bunch of questions, can you take a minute to introduce yourself, all three of you? Just share name, where you're located, your copywriting specialty, and then bonus points if you want to share a favorite movie or bo...

For the 272nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Kristin Macintyre. Kristin is a conversion copywriter who writes copy for launches with her signature VIP offer. If VIP offers are something you want to implement in the new year, then give this episode a listen. Here’s how the episode goes down: Kristin’s journey from college professor to launch copywriter. Starting and building a successful copywriting business in a short timespan. How copywriting and poetry have empathy in common. The open-ended questions that lead your clients to their true answer. How to teach and mentor with real-world examples. Pivoting your niche and offer for higher level success. Structuring a VIP offer. How does it break down? The difference between a VIP day and a VIP intensive. Elevating the client journey through different touchpoints. How to get more done by observing where your time is going. Adding a VIP intensive into your offer suite – is it possible for your business? How to set your VIP prices and when to increase them. The struggles of executing a VIP project and how to avoid burnout. What to add to your routine to keep up your energy during writing sprints. The power of knowing ‘why’ we use the formulas and frameworks we do. Diving into the digital product space and marketing your business. How copywriting is evolving into a new era of conversion. Looking to implement a new business model in 2022? Grab your headphones or read the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Accelerator Think Tank  The Copywriter Underground Kristin’s website Rachel’s website Episode 176 Episode 226   Full Transcript: Kira:  There's been a lot of buzz in the copywriting world around VIP offers, what should you include? What should you charge? How much is too much? How do you avoid burnout? The questions go on and on. Luckily, we're covering a ton of your question about VIP offers today with think tank member and our guest for the 272nd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Kristin McIntyre. After shifting from a standard VIP day to a VIP intensive model, Kristin has figured out the best way to deliver a true VIP client experience. We'll dig into all the details in today's interview. But first, I have a very special co-host for this episode, think tank alumni member, Rachel Greiman. So, Rachel, thanks for co-hosting with me today. Can you introduce yourself and say hello? Rachel:  Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm Rachel Greiman, as Kira said. I am a website copywriter for photographers, it is the nichiest of niches, and I love it. I own Green Chair Stories and we are a small copywriting collective. We have four writers besides myself at this point and we write about 50 websites a year. We don't do anything else, and we like it that way. Kira:  All right, I love it. And we're going to definitely dive into your business today because there is some overlap with what Kristin's doing in her business. So we'll dig in deeper. But before we get into the interview, this week sponsor for the podcast is TCC IRL. That's the copywriter club in real life, our big annual event. Before I give the dates and all the information. Rachel, can you just share a little bit about your experience at TCC IRL because you've been before and you are attending in Nashville this March. So what was it like for you? Rachel:  The first one, I've been to two, I went in 2019 and 2020, and the first one was in New York. Kira:  Oh, that's right. Rachel:  And it was the first time I had ever invested in any type of copywriting education or networking. Even though I had been doing it for a long time, I always worked for other organizations and it was nonprofit. So I didn't know anybody that did it freelance or ran their own business, it was a completely new world to me.

Krystle Church joins us for the 271st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. A former Accelerator member, Krystle is a business mentor and runs a boutique copywriting studio. Krystle is a borderless entrepreneur who runs her business on the island of Mauritius. This episode is a must-listen if you’re curious about running a business abroad and balancing business endeavors all while keeping your mindset in check. We chat about: Transitioning from traveling elementary school teacher to borderless entrepreneur. Creating a healthy working atmosphere and getting to choose who you work with. Retiring your partner and defining freedom in your own terms. The illusion of choice and how it can impact business decisions. Utilizing the freedom you have to make CEO decisions. (because you are the boss, afterall.) How to unbox the narrative and stories we constantly tell ourselves. Overcoming cycles of burnout and soaking up the big milestones you reach before jumping into the next thing. Rewiring your mindset and figuring out what you want from your business. The biggest mindset blocks for copywriters and navigating them. How to work as a “workaholic.” Mindset and journaling practices for both business and personal growth. How to manage two aspects of business: mentorship + copy studio. Managing multiple team members who support the growth of your brand. How to train your team to provide the same white-glove experience you provide your DFY clients. Is it time to hire contractors or full time employees in your business? What processes need to be in place before making your first hire. How to raise your prices – Which marks should we be hitting? How to structure a high-ticket day rate. Copy chiefing and how to work with a junior copywriter. Hiring for your business from a financial perspective and stacking revenue. The secret to creating demand in your business. The struggles of a 6-figure business – Does it get easier? The impact of community and leaning on others for support. Grab your headphones or check out the transcript below.   The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Krystle's website Erin's website Aly's website Episode #207 Episode #245 Aly's episode    Full Transcript: Kira:  Mindset and pricing go hand in hand when you want to raise your prices. Getting over the fear of charging what we're worth is something so many copywriters struggle with in their businesses. In the 271st episode of the Copywriter Club Podcast, we're joined by Accelerator alumni member Krystle Church, who is an elementary school teacher turned business coach who also owns a boutique copywriting studio. Krystle walks us through how she's been able to raise her prices, build her team and increase her confidence over the last few years. Before we jump in, I have some introductions to make, because in this interview, I was actually joined by a co-host, I kicked Rob out of this show completely and Erin Pennings joined me. Erin is a Think Tank member and a B2B copywriter who focuses on brand messaging, website copy and visibility strategies. Erin also has an awesome program called Womp Womp to Wow, which is my favorite title for any program. And it's a 21-day web copy intensive. So Erin actually join me for the initial interview. You'll hear her asking questions. And I have another special guest today, Aly Goulet, who is also a Think Tank member. And Aly, thanks for being here with me today. Can you introduce yourself? Aly:  Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much for having me. I'm Aly Goulet. I'm a B2B SaaS and IT copywriter, and I also create resource for freelancers, including Genius Portfolio for WordPress. Kira:  Very cool. And before we dive into this interview, you know we love to have some sponsor action. And our sponsor today is the Think Tank,

On the 270th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re diving into the world of Kira Hug. Who is she really and does she even like to hug? She shares her experiences from the beginnings of her own copywriting career to where she is today and where she plans to go in the future. Tune in to find out: The rise of Kira Hug. What it was like to live in New York City and what her favorite experiences were. Raising kids in Brooklyn and moving to Washington, DC. Kira’s first writing experiences and learning about her love for interviewing. The struggles Kira faced most as she built her copywriting business. Navigating through the head trash that can be such a constant burden for copywriters. How to stop getting in your own way. Kira’s least favorite client project and how she said “see ya later!” Finding the confidence to know you have what it takes to move forward. Building The Copywriter Club, copywriting agency, and raising young children. Was it love at first sight for Kira and Ezra? Are we going to start training for a copywriter’s marathon? Why Kira uses a tiny paintbrush for big projects. The motivating factors that drive Kira to keep going. The push to continue to get better in life and never staying complacent. The biggest takeaways Kira has had from coaching hundreds of copywriters. How your business can have dramatic change by implementing this one thing. Why you can’t let yourself surrender to the head trash. How copywriters can think bigger for themselves. The legacy Kira wants to leave for the world and her kids. Listen to or read the inside scoop of everyone’s beloved copy mom. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Four Thousand Weeks    Full Transcript: Rob:  Welcome everyone. This is another episode of just Kira and Rob talking on the podcast, which means we don't have a written out introduction. I suppose we could talk about how this episode is brought to you by The Copywriter Accelerator, which should be opening momentarily, within days of this episode going live, or within weeks anyway. Accelerator is our basic training, 16-week... It's not really a course and it's not really a membership, but it's a program where you go through with a cohort of other ambitious copywriters and basically set the foundations that you need to put in place for a successful copywriting business. The skillset that you need as a copywriter are different from those that you need as a business owner. And, if you want to succeed at both, you need to have both, and so that's where The Accelerator comes in. Okay, so now that we've dealt with that part, it's just you and me, Kira. Kira:  We've dealt with the whole selling our stuff part, let's get that out the way. Rob:  Exactly. So, 10 episodes ago you interviewed me. We do this every once and a while, where it's just you and me talking, but 10 episodes ago we did a little bit more of like, "Okay, we'll try to dive into a little bit more of behind the scenes Rob." And, of course, we want to turn the tables now and get the behind the scenes Kira, and find out who you really are when you're not necessarily doing The Copywriter Club thing. Kira:  I am the exact same person. Rob:  We're going to find out. Kira:  Shocker. Rob:  Yeah, we're going to find out. Kira:  Yeah, same person. Rob:  Okay, well let's start with a couple of easy questions, warm you up. You've lived in a whole bunch of places. You've been in Chicago, and Virginia, you went to school in Virginia, you lived in New York. I think when we met you even described yourself as, "A New Yorker," that was who you were. Kira:  Oh, yeah. Rob:  And now, you're living in Washington D.C., so I'm curious about the history of Kira traveling around and being in places. What's your favorite place that you've lived?

Our guest for the 269th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is Lindsey Walker. Lindsey is a public relations expert who owns Walker + Associates Media Group – a boutique public relations agency. Lindsey helps her clients position themselves for visibility and growth. If you want to increase your visibility and authority in the online space, tune into the episode to find actionable steps you can take to increase your impact and grow your brand. Lindsey’s journey into the public relations world and starting a freelance business. The roles that characterize a publicity firm and finding a team that will help you scale your business. How to shift from solopreneur to leader and CEO. – What do you need to have in place? Defining the type of CEO you want to become and how you can begin to look strategically at your business. The process of working with someone in public relations. – What happens first? How long it takes to expect results from PR. How copywriters need to think about their business from a PR standpoint. Are you the bottleneck in your business? The 3 elements to DIY public relations in your business. How to break through when you don’t have connections or people on the inside. How to successfully pitch yourself and the biggest mistakes you need to avoid. The different opportunities to pitch yourself depending on the season and time of year. How to break into the PR space as a writer. The difference between in-house and freelance PR writers. The impact that mindset plays in public relations and how to put yourself out there. When it’s a good idea to think about PR in your business. What is the future of public relations? What Lindsey learned from a life-threatening experience and how it applies to her business today. Advice for business owners who are going through difficult situations. How to handle rejection when sending pitches. Will Kira and Rob become influencers?! PR is an essential tool to grow your business and create a lasting impact. Be sure to grab your earbuds or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground The Copywriter Club Accelerator waitlist  Lindsey’s website Mai-kee’s website Episode 229 with Selena Soo Episode 151 with Patsy Kenney Episode 150 with Brigitte Lyons Episode 152 with Mai-kee    Full Transcript: Rob:  One of the most important activities that you do as a copywriting business owner is marketing, and that can take a lot of forms, everything from cold pitching to social media, and almost literally 100 other activities. Continually marketing yourself and your business is the thing that attracts clients to your door. If you want to succeed long term as a copywriter, you can't ignore this activity. Today's guest on The Copywriter Club Podcast is publicist and PR expert, Lindsey Walker. She knows a thing or two about attracting attention to your business. We met Lindsey when she reached out to pitch a guest for our podcast, and while that particular person wasn't a fit, when we heard Lindsey's story, we knew that she would be. Stick around to hear what she shared about getting people to pay attention to what you are doing in your business. But before we get to all of that, let me introduce my guest host for this episode, Mai-kee Tsang. Hey, Mai-kee. Mai-kee:  Hey, Rob. Lovely to be here. I'm not Kira, but she's here with us in spirit. Rob:  Nope. Kira was with us on the initial interview. Yeah, it's just you and me to talk about all of that. Mai-kee:  Exciting stuff. Rob:  Yeah. If you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you'll remember that Mai-kee shared how she pitched 101 podcast in 30 days way back on episode 152. It's a really good episode. I'll remind you again at the end to listen to it, but make a mental note because you're definitely going to ...

Geoff Kullman is our guest for the 268th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Geoff is a direct-response copywriter and brand strategist who helps online entrepreneurs and personal brands tell better stories and make more money. Geoff breaks down how he uses neuroscience and psychology to write impactful copy that converts. Here’s all the things we talk about: The common denominator for copywriters and other writers. Geoff’s journey from devout pastor to direct-response copywriter. The importance of showcasing your abilities and talents within your website and business. How to make niching your own and work for you. The framework that takes people from prospect to customer. How to break down the 6-step framework for strong emails and sales pages. The difference between prompt and pitch and why it matters. Trauma-informed marketing and how to write from a place of empathy. Why the marketing world is shifting and how we can adapt to the changes. How to be more intentional about your client avatar. Finding your brand voice and helping your clients find theirs. Where most copywriters go wrong when creating ideal client avatars. What to leave out of emails to make them more compelling and connect with your audience on a deeper level. The impact neuroscience has on the words we write and why they convert. The psychology of why social proof works so well. What chemicals need to be released during the conversion process and in what order. Can you network as an introvert? Dealing with a scarcity mindset and making the shift to an abundant mindset. If you want to learn more about the psychology behind copywriting, be sure to tune into this episode. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Geoff’s website Geoff’s podcast Gabby’s website Episode 89 Episode 232   Full Transcript: Kira:  When you first started copywriting, you probably learned about creating a client avatar and all about storytelling, but what if you could take it a step further and tell stories that could make an even stronger impact? Our guest for the 268th episode of the Copywriter Club is Geoff Kullman. Geoff uses the power of neuroscience and psychology to create a deeper, more meaningful connection with people, and today I am joined by my co-host Gabby Jackson. How's it going? Gabby? Gabby:  It's going well. How are you? Kira:  Doing really well, Gabby. So you are on our team, we have had so many people in our audience asked to hear more about our team members, and I want to introduce you today just so everyone can get to know you a little bit better. So why don't you just kick off with how you heard about the Copywriter Club and what you do on the team? Gabby:  So, yes, I am super excited to be here. I discovered the Copywriter Club by wanting to find out more information about copywriting in general, and I was all about podcasts, still am all about podcasts, and I just typed in copywriting. This podcast was the first one to pop up, and I started binging episode after episode, and I decided I have to be part of this community, this club, how do I get in? Kira:  No, wait, when was that, Gabby? Gabby:  That was probably last August or September, yeah, so it's been a little over a year. Kira:  Yeah. I remember when we first met you in the underground on our first ... our meet and greet call with you, and we met you, and you just had such great energy that Rob and I were texting each other, we're like, "We have to figure out a way to get Gabby on our team so we can work with her." We were lucky enough that you joined the team, and so what do you do today on the team? Gabby:  So, on the team I handle a lot of the social media aspects, whether that mean graphics or captions, some email writing, podcast show notes and introductions, and some Pinterest tasks as well.

Amy Collins is our guest for the 267th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Amy is a storyteller and copy strategist who unveils the mystery of creating stories out of everyday events. By taking your conversation skills to the next level, you can craft better stories not just for yourself but for your clients. Win-win, right? We break it down like this: Amy Collins journey from the art of writing to the art of copywriting. How to work on referrals, so you don’t have to overload the cold pitches. Is it possible to perfect the art of conversation? And is it even a thing? How to get your clients to disarm themselves and enhance the conversation. The different ways you can niche in your business. Reframing your perspective on being in your ideal client’s inbox. Behind the scenes of a storytelling master’s process. Why open loops take your emails to a whole new level. The common mistakes copywriters make when telling stories in their emails and how to fix them. How you can play with language to take your reader on a journey. Tools you can use to become a better storyteller. When to use VOC data and how to blend it into your story. Using your past lives to add value to your copy. Why “should” needs to disappear from the English Dictionary. How to become aware of your negative self-talk. The active choice to invest in yourself and your business. Going against the status-quo and ridding yourself of the need for validation. Thinking about starting an email list but have no idea what you should write to them? This is a good place to start. Hit that play button below or check out the transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Amy’s website Nic’s website Full Transcript: Rob:  When it comes right down to it, copywriting is a lot like having a conversation with your customers, or the customers of your client. And like any good conversationalist, that means that you can't afford to be boring. You have to stand out, engage the person you're talking to, and be interesting and interested. Our guest for this episode of the Copywriter Club Podcast is copy strategist and storyteller, Amy Collins. Amy shares how she's been able to have genuine conversations with her clients, and she gives us a few ideas for how we could all do better at this important skill. You're going to want to stick around for this one, but before we jump into the episode, my co-host for today is copywriter, voice strategist, and I just learned this a few seconds ago, trained as a radio announcer, Nicola Moors. Nic, welcome. Nic:  Hi, thanks so much for having me. Rob:  Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to have this conversation and have you share some of your takeaways. And of course, if anybody's been listening to the podcast for a while, they'll recognize that you were a guest on the podcast maybe a little over a half a year ago. If I remember, that was episode 200 and, what, 53. Nic:  Thirty-six. Rob:  236, 236. Nic:  Thirty-six. Rob:  Okay. Nic:  Yeah. Rob:  So, check out what Nic shared, and you shared a ton of really good stuff, your research process, how you were a journalist, and some of the crazy stories that you had to track down as a journalist. It's really interesting episode, good listen, and lots of good advice about brand voice. So, let people check that out. Nic:  Thanks. Rob:  And of course, this episode of the podcast is sponsored by... right now, today, it's sponsored by the Copywriter Accelerator. We're getting ready to relaunch the accelerator in January, so keep your eyes open for that. The accelerator is our 16-week program that helps copywriters some of them starting out, some of them who have been in business for years re-establish or create the foundation for their business. We talk about things like mindset and goal setting.

Angie Colee is our guest for the 266th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Angie is a copywriter and copy chief turned business and confidence coach who took a while to find her way into the copywriting role she is the best fit for. No matter where you are in your copywriting journey, you’ll leave with notes filled front and back. Here’s what we talk about: How Angie went from working for the Oprah Winfrey network to underpaid copywriter. Do you have to have a degree to become a copywriter? Feeling stuck with projects and clients but using every project as a learning opportunity. How learning on the fly can make you a better writer. The power to walk away from toxic work environments and open the door to new opportunities. The different levels of copywriting. Where might you fit in? Shifting into a lead role and managing other copywriters. The difference between a full-time corporate copywriter and per project roles. Finding a team that respects your value, time, and expertise. How to deal with comparisonitis and feelings of not being where you think you should be. Why it’s a good idea to take on challenges before you think you’re ready. The importance of swallowing your pride as a writer and receiving criticism. Tips on being a better copy chief. How to look at what you can bring to big, successful businesses as a small business owner. Hint: Don’t assume you have nothing to bring to the table. Why you shouldn’t be intimidated by launching. Steps you can take to create stronger launch campaigns without exhausting yourself. How you can help others in copywriting communities even if you’re not an expert. The switch Angie made from copywriter to coach. Time management between clients, students, and your own business. How to get over writer’s block when the muse isn’t striking. The mindset blocks many face when they’re trying something new in their business. Hit the play button or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Angie's website The Well-Fed Writer by Peter Bowerman Mindset by Carol Dweck Episode 208 Full Transcript: Rob:  Becoming a great copywriter doesn't happen overnight. In fact, most of us have stumbled around a bit to get where we are. I spent time at a web startup and running my own SaaS business while Kira learned how to sell and clean cars at Enterprise Rental Service, she picked you up. So stumbling around a variety of jobs to find your way into copywriting is pretty common. But the good news? Through the missteps and the struggles, most of us finally arrive at something resembling a successful copywriting career, and our guest for this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Angie Colee. Angie is a copywriter and a copy chief turned business and confidence coach who took a while to find her way into the copywriting role that she's the best fit for, and the advice that she shared in our interview is fantastic. We think you're definitely going to want to stick around to hear what she had to share. Kira:  But before we dive into this episode, TCCIRL is the sponsor of this episode. TCCIRL, our big event, our big annual event, is going back to in-person stage in 2022 and we couldn't be more excited. It's a two and a half day event where you get to connect and hear from other copywriters and marketers about the best tools and strategies you can use to grow your copywriting business and to enhance your own skills and mindset, and one of the best parts is connecting in real life with other copywriters that maybe you've bumped into online and you finally can connect in-person over lunch, over dinner, over coffee, over drinks. Tickets are limited and this is not like a faux scarcity thing. We actually have a venue that can only hold a certain amount of people so if you do want to attend this...

Daniel Throssell takes the mic on the 265th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Daniel is a copywriter who has created something he likes to call, “The Parallel Welcome Sequence.” He teaches his students how to look at storytelling from a different lens, and now he’s going to give you a glimpse into how he makes it happen. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: His grand escape from being an electrical engineer on a remote island. Winning a coaching call based on a story he wrote with no experience at all. How he was able to go from no experience to charging $200 an hour on Upwork. The Facebook message that would change the game for Daniel. How he managed to become the most-copied Upwork profile and how he gained 5 star reviews. Why he is so passionate about writing soap-opera-slash-personality-driven emails. The importance of partnership in copywriting. The difference between one off projects and growing with a business over time. The advantages of building your own list vs writing for a client list. How to get on more podcasts with this simple tip. The benefits of having a financial cushion when going after your dream business. How to test out your own launch ideas and analyze the results. How Daniel grew his list from 0-5000 in 18 months: what’s the secret? Why you should think about creating a welcome sequence from a different angle. The importance of staying consistent even when you think no one is listening. Why copywriters have an edge against other marketers and business owners. How to maximize and connect with your superfans. Shifting your business from client-focused to self-focused. Who should do a parallel welcome sequence? Pop your earbuds in or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Daniel’s website Laura Belgray interview part 2 Brandi Mowles podcast interview Connect with Robbie King  Full Transcript: Kira:  If you've ever said to yourself, "I want to get paid to be me," this is the interview for you. Today's guest for the 265th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is Daniel Throssell. A copywriter who's not afraid to show his weird side and approach list growth and relationship building differently. But before we dive in, let me introduce you to my cohost for today, Robbie King. Robbie, welcome to the show. Thanks for doing this with me. Robbie:  Thanks very much for having me. It's lovely to be here. Kira:  I want you to just quickly introduce yourself, who are you, how do we even know each other? Robbie:  Yes. So, we met probably virtually about two and a half years ago, when I was just kind of scratching my head about copywriting. And remember, we had a bit of back and forth. And then pretty quickly I realized that signing up for The Underground, and then eventually The Think Tank was just going to be the best thing to get my business going and help stop me banging my head against the wall, I think. Kira:  And Robbie, what are you doing today? Robbie:  So today, I actually work in house for a tech marketing agency. That was after a good year and a bit of having my freelance business. I did that after a good few months of just learning the whole business side of running a copywriting business. I thought I'd balanced that out a bit by just, I guess learning on someone else's dime, there's a lot to be said for that. It's proven very useful. I've gone deeper into my skill set, into my niche, which is video and content consultancy. So, I've been doing a lot of that. And I'm still writing copy. So, it's been quite the journey. Kira:  I know you shared this with me earlier, but maybe you could just share that that idea came from Matt Hall at TCCIRL. Do you mind just sharing how you had that idea to go back in house? Robbie:  Yes. Shout out to Matt Hall. Great guy,