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Sep 15, 2021 • 1h 35min
236 “My Family Is Trapped In Afghanistan” An Entrepreneur’s Story with Noorullah Akbari, Founder of Rosalyn AI
Imagine the life you love, the freedoms you enjoy, and the opportunities you have. All the safety and security you take for granted, vaporized in a matter of days. Imagine that many in your family, friends, and loved ones are now hostages. Noorullah Akbari doesn't have to imagine any of that.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, Noorullah Akbari talks about the situation of his family and millions of Afghan citizens that are still living in Kabul at this time. Noor is the founder and CEO of a company called Rosalyn.AI, and they are on a mission to use advanced technology in making a difference for students’ education. He's also a former Afghan refugee living in the United States of America. Right now as we speak, Noor is fighting to get about 20 members of his family out of Kabul, Afghanistan.
Our hope is that this dialogue will help humanize the plight of the very real people in Afghanistan who are suffering right now who want out, and that this very real dialogue will be shared, emailed, tweeted and posted broadly in the United States. Because no matter what you think about the US’ withdrawal in Afghanistan, there are now 35 million people who are experiencing the most horrifying change imaginable in their lives through no fault of their own.
Noorullah Akbari on the Taliban
We start the conversation by asking about the situation with Noor’s family. He shares that his sisters and their family, as well as some of his relatives are still in Kabul. They are quite afraid, and thought that there would be a massacre once the Taliban solidifies their hold.
While the Taliban has said that they will not do such a thing, the family do not trust their word. According to Noor, they think that the Taliban hasn’t done so because they do not want any negative perception at this time. As we live in a technological age, phones and the internet are everywhere. A simple picture depicting their violence could derail the "good image" they want to portray.
Though technology might be keeping the Taliban in check for now, there are limits to what it can do.
“When there are no cameras, they go after those who they believe have aided the infidels and foreigners. They (The Taliban) tell them now, they don't do that currently in Kabul. And the main reason is, there are cell phones out there. They haven't banned the internet yet, so that people can take pictures. That will cause them trouble with the international community. But the practice has always been to come after their enemies, kill them and take revenge. So no, you can't trust the terrorists.” - Noorullah Akbari
Life on the Ground
Noor explains that while he wants to get all their relatives out of Kabul as soon as possible, there are some who are in immediate danger due to their previous involvement with the US forces.
Though he also stresses that most of the people in Kabul have worked directly or indirectly with the US at various times. So it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to think that all of those people will also be considered as enemies by the Taliban.
Yet some might be looking for a way out, simply because they do not want to live under another Taliban regime.
“I can tell you, they have all lived a life under the previous regime of Taliban. When you were going to watch soccer, right after there were public executions, or stoning of people, or beating of women. Women did not have the ability to walk around without men or without the Burqa. It was pretty brutal. You didn't have any personal freedom, the economy was bad. People were walking around like zombies. And everybody remembers that.” - Noorullah Akbari
So when the US forces drove out the Taliban from Kabul 20 years ago, it was like a new lease of life was given to the citizens living there. To have that freedom taken away now, it’s understandable why people do not want to experience it all over again.
Getting Out of Kabul
When asked about the progress on getting his family out,

Sep 13, 2021 • 1h 7min
235 Moby’s Different Life, Extreme Ways, and New Little Pine Cookbook
If you’re a long-time listener, you know that we do not have many celebrities as guests on Follow Your Different. We take a pass on most of them because frankly, they're not that interesting. However, Moby is not your typical celebrity or Hollywood type.
Moby is a breakout musician, DJ, and songwriter. He's sold over 20 million records worldwide, and he is credited with helping to bring electronic dance music to a mainstream global audience. He is also an animal advocate and a deeply-committed vegan, and he’s got a brand-new cookbook out. It’s called Little Pine Cookbook, which is based on the recipes of Little Pine, a restaurant that he had founded.
What you're about to hear is a real dialogue like none other: from Moby’s tough start in life, to making and breaking it and having it all fall apart, then building yourself back again. You’ll also hear stories on Moby meeting his heroes, including what it was like to hang out with none other than David Bowie.
Moby on Meeting Your Heroes
To Moby, making the cover for David Bowie’s ‘Heroes’ has a personal context. He shares that when he was around 12, he had bought two David Bowie albums. Since then, David Bowie became his favorite musician of all time.
Then in the late 90’s, they became friends. Then neighbors. They even went on tours together, worked on music together, and enjoyed each other’s company.
“We had this one amazing day where he was in my apartment in New York. We played an acoustic version of heroes together. It was such a magical moment that the version of Heroes on Reprise is sort of a tribute to the song; a tribute to the fact that I was friends with my favorite musician of all time, and a tribute to this moment of playing Heroes with the greatest musician of all time.” - Moby
That said, there is a saying that goes, “you should never meet your heroes, because they are sure to disappoint you.” Moby acknowledges that there are times that it is true. Though in David Bowie’s case, it only made him appreciate the person and his music more after meeting him.
Moby on Being a Public Figure
It’s not unusual to look up to icons and dream of one day becoming one. Being famous or a public figure is a dream that a lot of people have. Though according to Moby, being a public figure can be more stressful than it’s worth.
It might sound pretentious or narcissistic coming from a place of having achieved it already, but it is something Moby wishes to share through his book, ‘Then It Fell Apart’. His documentary, Moby Doc, also shines a bit of light into this:
“The idea is that the human condition is one of confusion. You know, as long as we're human, we're baffled. So It seems like we all gravitate towards things that give us a sense of meaning, structure, and status. And so the book ‘Then It Fell Apart’ and ‘Moby Doc’ is sort of looking at that. Like how I had my own individual experience of bafflement, and how I tried to find anything that would give me that sense of meaning, purpose, status, comfort, what have you.” - Moby
Living the Rockstar Life
When asked whether he thinks that he’s “living the rockstar life”, Moby thinks that he has lived a life so far that has given him a unique perspective. As someone who has been to the extreme ends of both poverty, wealth, and varying degrees of fame, it has given him an insight that is undenyingly his own.
Yet while the specific details are unique to him alone, the general circumstance is not. That is why Moby felt that he had to share his story. Not so much as to show everyone what he has achieved in his life so far, but as a reference for those who are aspiring for such a lifestyle, or those who might be in a similar situation.
To hear more from Moby and his insights on meeting your heroes and living an accomplished life, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Richard Melville Hall, known professionally as Moby, is an American musician, songwriter, singer, producer, and animal rights activist.

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Sep 6, 2021 • 1h 34min
234 How Misfits Succeed with Tech Legend, Co-Founder of Intel Capital Avram Miller, Author of “Flight of The Wild Duck”
A few companies have had the impact in the technology industry that Intel has had. Without Intel, the personal computer might never have happened the way that it did. In this episode of Follow Your Different, we go inside Intel, and inside the life of one of the tech industry’s true living legends, Avram Miller.
Avram Miller is best known as the co-founder of Intel Capital, the most successful corporate venture group in the history of the technology industry. What Avram and his partners created became the model for corporate venture capital in Silicon Valley. In addition, he's also famous for spotting and leading Intel's initiative to create and expand residential broadband internet access.
He’s got a new book out, called Flight of the Wild Duck, and improbably journey through life and technology. So for those who call the Internet your home, stay tuned and have a deep, meaningful, and unedited real dialogue with a true legend.
Avram Miller on Being a 'Misfit'
When asked about the term ‘misfit’ and what it means for him, Avram shares that for him, it was somebody who wasn’t really right for the system. Though it’s not like that somebody has a problem or is not doing anything, but more of that they couldn’t do what was expected of them.
Which was not to say that he himself was a misfit growing up. Rather, that was how he thought others perceived him. This left him confused and eventually getting the impression that there might be something wrong with him.
Nowadays, he doesn’t get the feeling of being a misfit anymore, though there’s still the notion of feeling like the odd man out.
“I think I still feel like the odd man out. Often, and not so much because of my life today. If I were to be back in my previous life, I would guess I would still feel like I didn't quite fit in. You know, I was at Intel for 15 years, I achieved a fairly high position at Intel one of the when I was there. And that's actually kind of what caused me to use the title of my book, which was the Flight of a Wild Duck, which is what Andy Grove, he referred to me as that. But you know, the, the Wild Duck is the duck does not going in the same direction as the other ducks.” - Avram Miller
Life at Intel
Despite all this, Avram did not have any problems working for Intel, and the feeling was mutual. That’s because he has something to give to the company that they needed. So while he doesn’t think he fits in completely, he still had a lot to offer on the table, and Intel valued him for it.
“At Intel, things really based on results. And I had results, I could make things happen. So once I could show that I could make results, once I could achieve things, everything was pretty much okay, because I was judged on my contributions.” - Avram Miller
The Strengths and Weaknesses of Fitting In
That said, he thinks that while these systems are great for finding people that fit, there can also be drawbacks to it. While you can get people that might fit in to your idea of a perfect system, you might miss out on those ‘misfits’ that end up changing the landscape of business.
“Most people go through life, and they go through some system, which was devised in the industrial age. You should think of that process is a funnel that’s filtering out people, it's filtering out misfits. And at the end, you have people that are really, really good at doing certain things, and no good at doing other things. But those other things are needed. And it's a strength, because you have all these people that are very, very good at doing certain things, like showing up on time. But it's a weakness, because they don't have the creativity, the imagination, the intuition, all this has been filtered out. Either they've suppressed it, or the people that had it just didn't make it through the funnel.” - Avram Miller
To learn more about Avram Miller and his thoughts on how misfits can succeed in the tech world, download and listen to this episode.
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Aug 30, 2021 • 1h 41min
233 How Ten Global Cities Take On Homelessness with Linda Gibbs & Muzzy Rosenblatt
Homelessness is a daunting, heartbreaking, and complex problem. There are currently about half a million Americans experiencing homelessness to this day. So in this episode of Follow Your Different, let’s dig into what we can do to make a difference with our guests Linda Gibbs and Muzzy Rosenblatt, two of the authors of a powerful new book called How 10 Global Cities Take On Homelessness.
Linda Gibbs served as a Deputy Mayor for Health and Human Resources for New York City from 2005 to 2013. During her tenure, New York City was the only top 20 city in America whose poverty rate did not rise. Today, Linda is a principal at Bloomberg Associates, which is a philanthropic consulting arm of Michael Bloomberg’s nonprofit organization. They work with cities globally to make a difference, particularly in areas of homelessness. Also with us is Muzzy Rosenblatt, who is the CEO of BRC, a nonprofit that has worked for 50 years to provide housing and treatment services to homeless adults in New York City.
It's safe to say that Linda and Muzzy are definitely experts in grappling with homelessness. The insights they share in their book are based on two extraordinary careers that are dedicated on solving the issue of homelessness. So if you have ever been homeless at some point in your life, or know someone who is in this situation, this dialogue is something you will want to hear from start to finish.
Linda Gibbs on Solving the Homelessness Problem
When asked why we can’t seem to solve the homelessness problem, Linda shares that it’s not really a complex problem, but it is hard one to tackle. It doesn’t take a brilliant idea, or a new, innovative solution to solve it. The solution is easily staring us in the face, but we can’t implement them due to certain factors.
One of the reasons is the vast amounts of resources that needs to be allocated to make it happen. You need to have the money to put the basic programs that can help people in motion. Though according to Linda, that’s not even the biggest issue.
“The harder part, quite frankly, is it requires people who work in many different organizations at different levels of government. It requires that they all work together, like a well-oiled machine. The biggest problem is that these different systems, they all have their flaws. Also, many of the systems who have to be working together to fix the problem, are the very systems that generate the problem. And so, getting them to the table and working together toward one unified objective is the biggest challenge by far.” – Linda Gibbs
Linda Gibbs on Why They Care
Before going further with the discussion, we asked both our guests why they people should care about the homeless. Linda shares that this is not something that people choose willingly for themselves. There are multiple factors as to why someone would be homeless. As a community, Linda thinks that we can do better for ourselves and our neighbors, especially those who are in dire need of our help.
“We live in, in many ways, a deeply flawed society, and we have to do better. We have to address the consequences of those flaws. And it's incumbent on us that we need to fix those flaws, and we need to be committed to the longer-term reforms. Though we also have to address the faults now while we focus on those longer-term strategies.” – Linda Gibbs
Muzzy Rosenblatt on the Importance of Solving Homelessness
Muzzy agrees with Linda’s views, but also recognize that some people might not see the same as them. He would encourage everyone to help, but doesn’t force them to do so.
Though he points out that it can be beneficial for cities to tackle their city’s issue of homelessness instead of just doing temporary measures to alleviate them. For one thing, the money being spent on keeping things in the current status quo is coming from taxpayer’s money, so instead of having a stop gap or a short-term solution, why not solve the problem once and for all?
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Aug 23, 2021 • 1h 24min
232 How To Create The Future with Martin “Marty” Cooper, Father of the Cell Phone
In this incredibly special episode of Follow Your Different, we have a person that is like no other that has ever been on this podcast. We know the names of many of the legendary innovators and category creators of the modern era: people like Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and many others are rightfully celebrated worldwide. Yet most people don't know who the father of the cell phone is. The man behind it all is Martin Cooper, and he is our guest for today.
In the last 100 years, there is no category of technological breakthrough more important than the cell phone. While there are others that are equally important, it is not an exaggeration to say that the mobile phone changed the trajectory of humanity. The cell phone created a radically different future that has created and it continues to create exponential benefits for humankind.
I'm very grateful that Marty took the time to write his new riveting book, it's called Cutting the Cord. Because now, we have a first-person account of the life and the learnings of a legendary innovator, engineer, and category creator, and frankly, American, Martin “Marty” Cooper.
What follows is an unedited, uninterrupted conversation with Martin Cooper. We cover everything from his definition of what technology is, to why he's irked by how the mobile companies have rolled out 5G. We also talk about his thoughts on how to bridge the digital divide and how to bring the internet to everyone, which he is really passionate about.
So if you want to hear more from the Father of the Cellular Phone himself, stay tuned to this episode.
Martin Cooper on Bridging the Digital Divide
When asked about his current thoughts on technology, Marty’s initial thoughts were on the digital divide with regards to education. Particularly, it’s due to the fact that people cannot get a decent education in modern times without having access to the internet. One reason is that having access to the internet means having access to anything all the time. You also have access to all the knowledge of society at your fingertips.
Unfortunately, that access is only afforded to half the students nowadays, even in an advanced country like the United States. Others either have no access to it because of the cost, while some have no decent service available to them at all. For Marty, the idea is simply ridiculous, especially during this day.
“There is no technological reason for that to be the case. The carriers that provide us with service, people like AT&T, T Mobile, Verizon, and many other carriers license the radio spectrum from us. Their licenses have one basic requirement: and that is that the use of the spectrum should be in the public interest and convenience. And yet, there we have it 25% of our country is not covered, and 25% of our population can't afford the service.” – Martin Cooper
Some of Marty’s suggestion regarding the matter is to make it more accessible to the public, either by lowering rates, or building a system where its almost a necessity for each household to have such a connection. Even if it means having the government shoulder the cost. Because the alternative is having a population where half of it is being left behind in terms of education.
Martin Cooper on 5G
For Marty, 5G doesn’t really affect the average consumer. It is mostly targeted on businesses, companies, and other structures of that nature. What irks him about this is how they are promoting it, saying that they will be useful to industries such as autonomous cars and remote surgery.
The main thing about those two examples is that it’s not only fast connection that will enable it to be effective. You also need a network where it can operate at very low latency, so that reaction times will be instantaneous. It would be bad if two autonomous cars that are about to crash to have a few seconds delay on their response. You definitely do not want a doctor doing a crucial operation on someone being hampered by lag.

Aug 16, 2021 • 1h 27min
231 The Science and Technology of Growing Young with Sergey Young
In this episode of Follow Your Different, we’ll have a dialogue that just might change how you think about aging, and maybe even life itself. Who better to have this dialogue than with Sergey Young, author of the book called The Science and Technology of Growing Young.
Sergey believes that entrepreneurs and startups are already creating the longevity, technology, and category breakthroughs needed to design a new category of human that lives to 200 and beyond. He also believes that people in the future will have a health span well past 150, and that most of us living right now can get to 120.
We dig deep into this new into what’s happening in this new mega category of longevity. We also talk about what Sergey calls the near and far horizons of longevity breakthroughs, and how the conversion of bio and tech is already saving and extending lives.
The Science and Technology of Growing Young
Sergey talks about the journey on writing his book, The Science and Technology of Growing Young. He misses it so much that he’s already thinking about his next book, which will be as legendary as the current one.
When asked about any particular topic in the book that he wanted to discuss, Sergey points to the last chapter, which talked about the morality of immortality. The reason for this is that his publisher thinks that the last chapter deserved its own book. To which Sergey responded:
“My response was like, each chapter in the Growing Young book deserves to be a separate book. Because human health, happiness, or desire to live longer is such a complex subject. So you can do like 1000 books on the back of that.” – Sergey Young
Sergey Young on the Morality of Immortality
Following up on the publisher’s comment, Sergey believes that the morality of immortality is probably the most contentious topic, because it is always very shocking. He shared that most polls, depending on the country, have 60 to 80 percent of the people saying no to life extension.
“I was always surprised why. And what I learned is, we have created the science and technology to extend our lives. But we haven't created life that we want to extend.” – Sergey Young
This is because when most people hear about longevity of life, they think it’s just to extend their lives for 5-10 years. Though in this case, Sergey’s book discusses working on healthspan, and not necessarily lifespan.
“What I want to do is to insert another 20 to 25 years, right in the middle of your life cycle, to give you more time on Earth, to be with your loved ones, to realize your dreams, to change your career, and to have kids from multiple generations.” – Sergey Young
Sergey Young on Virtual Avatars
Sergey then talks about virtual avatars, and what he thinks will be a good use for it in the future.
He shares that he misses his conversations with his grandfather, and would give anything to be able to talk to him again. Virtual Avatars could be a way to have such moments with your love ones, even as they have moved on.
“I'm actually expecting this with a weird combination of excitement and fear. At the same time, like many of us, I always try to think about the application of this new technologies, which sounds scary. But if applied in the right person at the right time, they actually doing a lot of good things.” – Sergey Young
Sergey also mentions Elon Musk and the research on neuro link. While some people think this is really against human nature, it might eventually be helpful to those suffering from neuro-genetic diseases. Also, being able to integrate with computers mean that we can explore more depths and harsher environments without sacrificing human life.
If you want to hear more from Sergey Young and his thoughts on how to grow young, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Sergey Young is a longevity investor and visionary on a mission to extend healthy lifespans of one billion people. To do that, Sergey founded Longevity Vision Fund to accelerate life extension technological breakt...

Aug 9, 2021 • 1h 21min
230 Aliens, UFOs, And UAPs with Harvard’s Top Astronomer Dr. Avi Loeb, Author of Extraterrestrial
In this episode of Follow Your Different, Dr. Avi Loeb makes a return to give us an update about his work after he released his book, Extraterrestrial. If you are not familiar with Dr. Avi Loeb and his work, you can check out our previous conversation with him (FYD episode 202).
Dr. Avi Loeb is the most credential scientist and astronomer ever to say that we have been visited by something outside of our galaxy that is alien in nature. In 2021, Professor Loeb published a book called Extraterrestrial, The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth. For me, the ideas shared in this book can be a game changer for humanity.
This time, Professor Loeb tells us why you can't use the internet without using quantum mechanics, and about the connection between theoretical physics and Bernie Madoff. Also, if you have been paying attention to UFOs, Dr. Loeb unpacks what he thinks the US government's latest disclosures on the existence of UFOs really mean.
All these and more on this episode, so stay tuned to the end.
Dr. Avi Loeb on Letting the Scientists Handle Science
When asked whether he had a particular though he’d like to share, Professor Loeb remarks that he wishes that these unidentified phenomena in the sky be explored through scientific experiments. There have been a lot of people giving their thoughts on the matter, but they’re simply not qualified to give such statements.
While data might be sensitive and are often classified, at the very least have someone with a scientific background deliver the explanation to such events. Rather than a politician who is not equipped to assess the nature of these phenomena, it’s better to have an expert digest the information and deliver it in a concise manner.
“These are serious people and they had access to the classified information, they talk about it seriously. But they cannot really assess the nature of this phenomenon, and they were trained as either politicians or administrators.
When you go to a shoe maker, you don't expect the shoe maker to make you a cake. I mean, it makes no sense for them to make statements that are scientific.” – Dr. Avi Loeb
The Stigma and Taboo of Anomalies
Regarding the UFO sighting report, Professor Loeb comments that there could be a lot more that have not been reported. This is because of the stigma of bringing up UFOs or certain unusual phenomenon. In this day and age, it’s almost seen as a taboo to discuss such things.
Professor Loeb finds it strange that it is the case. For some reason, anomalous evidence is unpopular, almost to the point of being shunned. Though if you look at the history of science, these anomalous evidences are what brought a lot of progress in different fields.
“Why is anomalous evidence so unpopular? To me, it's really strange, because if you look at the history of science, most of the progress was a result of experimental anomalies. We saw something that we didn't expect, we learn something new about nature. What you need to do, of course, is to verify that the evidence is robust. If it's robust, then nature's telling you, you didn't really understand me. Here is something new that you have to figure out.” – Dr. Avi Loeb
Quantum Mechanics
Professor Loeb shares that it was the same before with Quantum Mechanics. Nobody really expected it, and it was something that was discovered through experiments. Although scientists like Albert Einstein resisted the notion at first. He even sought out to disprove it at some point.
Yet today, we build new technology and instruments that are based on these principles, particularly in communication. We might not fully understand it yet, but it shouldn’t stop us from exploring these anomalous behaviors and find out more about what nature has to offer.
“Quantum mechanics is definitely a facet of reality. We know that we use it and so forth, but we don't fully understand it. And nature is under no obligation to make itself agree with our preconceptions.

Aug 2, 2021 • 1h 11min
229 How To Live A Creative Life with NYT Bestselling Fiction Author of “Did I Say You Could Go” & “Wife 22” Melanie Gideon
Many of us would like to be more creative. Some would even aspire to make a living with their creativity. Yet without legendary role models like Melanie Gideon, it’s hard to learn what it really takes.
Melanie Gideon is willing to get real with us and go deep about her experience in making it happen. She is a New York Times bestselling fiction author of monster hits like Wife 22, The Slippery Year, The Valley of the Moon, and much more. Her new book, Did I Say You Can Go, is one of the most anticipated novels of 2021.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, we dig into what it really takes to be a professional fiction writer and how Melanie works on her craft. If you care about creativity, I think you're going to fall in love with Melanie and what she has to share on the topic.
Melanie Gideon on Tours
The discussion starts off with a question about Melanie, and how she approaches book tours as an introvert. She shares that it can be quite an excruciating experience for her. She loves the writing aspect of her craft: from thinking of the story’s design and structure to writing and even editing it afterwards.
“I do (love editing) because you're streamlining the story. You are sometimes finding the story in the editing. And you're just making it tighter and creating what you want for your reader. What I want for my reader is to create a page turner where they just have to know what happens next, no matter what genre I'm writing in. That is what I endeavor to do. So I love that.” – Melanie Gideon
Though Melanie says she’s starting to like the publishing aspect more nowadays, since everything can be done online. Being able to do it from the comfort of your home, and engaging with fellow authors rather than just having a conversation with herself was a nice change of pace. Not only that, her family can attend her virtual book events now that everything is online, not to mention all her fans from different places.
How to be Like Melanie
A lot of people certainly would love to achieve their dreams like Melanie. I remember asking her once how she did it. Her response was:
“I just didn’t stop writing” – Melanie Gideon
She thinks not giving up is a huge part of being successful. This applies to a lot of things in life, but for Melanie it is more so when it comes to writing. Plus, her urgency and passion for storytelling was always there to drive her forward.
“You know, since I was eight years old, I read voraciously. I always just wanted to be in another world alongside the world I was living in. I was a weird little kid. And I would walk around in the woods, and hope that I would find the portal to Narnia.
As I grew older, and I became more serious about writing, I realized that every book that I wrote, I was creating a portal to another world that I got to live in for however long it took me to write the book. So that was magic. I found the secret that solved the mystery.” – Melanie Gideon
Melanie’s Approach to Writing
While some people get inspiration to hit them from their surroundings, Melanie prefers to go out and look for it herself. She often goes out to find inspiration, to find the story.
For some writers, they wait for the story to materialize, to develop in their mind and they go from there. That does not work for Melanie.
“I'm always actively looking for the story that will make something flutter inside me. And I know I have to follow that. It might not be the book that I write. But it will probably bring me to another path and another path, and eventually I'll stumble upon it.” – Melanie Gideon
When asked where she goes to find her story, Melanie shares that she reads, a lot. Magazines, articles, sometimes other fiction novels that strike her interest. Which is interesting, as most writers would say, “I don’t have time to read, I’m too busy writing”. Clearly, Melanie is not like most writers.
To hear more from Melanie Gideon and her new book, Did I Say You Can Go, download and listen to this episode.

Jul 26, 2021 • 1h 14min
228 Make It, Don’t Fake It with #1 Amazon Author Sabrina Horn
We live at a time when there’s plenty of dumb and unquestioned business and live advice floating around the internet. Most of it comes from an avalanche of problematic stupidities from hustle porn stars. There’s also “Follow your passion”, which doesn’t always work out. Of course, there's the tried and true, "Fake it until you make it." Our guest today, Sabrina Horn, is the opposite of that.
Sabrina Horn has seen those situations play out in her career as a Communications Entrepreneur and eventually, CEO of HORN Strategy, LLC. Her new book, “Make it, don’t fake it” is out, and has hit no.1 on the Amazon charts as soon as it was released.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, what you’ll hear from her is a fun, no BS dialogue about what success really takes. If you’re interested in hearing more from Sabrina Horn, stay tuned to this episode.
Catching Up with Sabrina Horn
I talk with Sabrina Horn about the Silicon Valley days. When asked if a lot has changed over the years, Sabrina shares that it has changed, but not by much. According to conversations she’s heard around, CMOs often last for around 4 years before moving on. A few years ago, the shelf life for CMOs is usually 18-24 months before moving on to another or building their own company.
Sabrina then asks if I would go back.
“Not for two seconds. I hung up my gloves, I have no desire to, and I got nothing left to prove. Most importantly, I love my life the way it is. Now I get to make a difference at scale through podcasting and writing. I'll do some advising and I still enjoy that very much, particularly under the right circumstances. But no, I don't have any desire to do it. I'm at a different stage of my life like you are right, I'm in the throw down the rope stage, not continue to collect merit badges stage.” – Christopher Lochhead
Sabrina agrees and thinks that even while outside Silicon Valley, the podcasts and books still fills a hole and affects the overall meta in the industry.
Make It, Don’t Fake It
We then talk about Sabrina’s new book, Make It, Don’t Fake It. What’s amazing about the book is that it’s almost sort of a hybrid between a business book and a memoir. There were a lot of stories from personal experiences, the most of the advice that was given has a real-life situation that she has personally been through.
Sabrina shares that this structure was intentional.
“(These are) The stories of my profession and my career, bring the message that I wanted to deliver to life. And I didn't want to write a book and do a ton of, you know, external research and take yours and do surveys. I thought, I've got 25 years of running a company. That's my research. “ – Sabrina Horn
The Problem with Faking It
Sabrina then shares one of the things that the book tackles right from the get-go. It’s the mantra of “Fake it until you make it”. Because the biggest problem with this mantra is that you’re exposed. Either you get caught up in the lie, or get exposed right from the onset.
“It is initially which was sort of an innocent like tongue in cheek, little quip, right has, has become like a way of doing business a way of living. it's an it's a really bad excuse for bad behavior. And it's not just, you do it at work, you do it in your personal life. And in nine times out of 10, you get caught.” – Sabrina Horn
While one would think that the biggest problem with faking it is getting caught, there is another aspect of it. If you think you’ll just fake it and learn along the way, that means you are not working optimally for the job you have. Instead on improving yourself and doing better, you are playing catch-up to get the skills you said you already have.
So it is better to just be yourself. Tell them what you can and cannot do, so everyone knows what to expect from you. Nowadays, being authentic can be refreshing, and it might even earn you the respect of the person who you are trying to impress.
To learn more from Sabrina Horn and her new book, “Make It,

Jul 21, 2021 • 1h 2min
227 A.I. And The Future with Greatest Chess Player Ever Garry Kasparov and Noodle.AI CEO Steve Pratt
In many circles, Chess is viewed as the ultimate display of intellectual might. If you think about it, chess is a fighting game that is purely intellectual and excludes all chance. In this episode of Follow Your Different, we talk to one of Chess’ ultimate combatants, Garry Kasparov.
At age 22, Garry Kasparov became the world’s youngest chess champion, and from 1984 to his retirement in 2005, he was ranked the number one Chess player on the planet for a record 255 months of his career. He is also known as the man who competed against an IBM supercomputer in 1997.
Today, Garry Kasparov is a political activist and an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin. He is also the chairman of the Human Rights Foundation, and the author of the best-seller called Deep Thinking, Where Machine Intelligence Ends and Human Creativity Begins.
In addition to all of this, he’s also working with a few advanced technology companies, in which I had the pleasure of meeting him. He has started working with a good friend of mine, Steve Pratt of Noodle.AI. So listen in as the three of us talk about Covid-19, the relationship between humans and machines, and how Garry jokes about being the first knowledge worker to have his job taken by a computer.
Garry Kasparov and Steve Pratt on COVID-19
When asked how they were doing nowadays, Steve comments that it felt strange now that everything is slowly opening up. Nowadays, it seems weird when you see people not wearing masks when you go out, as compared to only a few months ago of masks and lockdowns.
Garry shared that while it is slowly opening up in America and Europe, the rest of the world is going through a very different experience. He laments the current situation in Russia particularly, where his family and friends reside.
“We know from history that the innovative power of undemocratic states is cannot be compared to the power of the free mind. It's not an accident that the virus came from China, but the response came from the United States.” – Garry Kasparov
Garry also points out the disparity on how people trust the vaccines compared to the Russian-made Sputnik vaccine. He attributes this mostly to having the proper data to prove its efficacy, which the Sputnik vaccine is sorely lacking at the moment. While there are vaccines that have lower efficacy rates compared to those made by Pfizer and Moderna, they’re still widely preferred due to the fact that they have data and tests to back those numbers up.
Working Together and Freeing the Mind
When asked if the low vaccination rates can be attributed to the vaccine or implementation, Garry answered that it was both happening at the same time. While the vaccine hesitancy was expected due to the lack of data on their vaccine, Russian government tried to promote Sputnik as the ultimate cure against COVID. They went as far as donating it to other countries, some of which flat-out refused, which further damaged its credibility.
Moving away from Russia, Garry then compared China and the United States’ response to the virus. He notes that while China had a huge head start in studying the COVID virus, it still took them a while to create a vaccine that had low efficacy ratings. Enter US and the combined effort of the public and private sectors, and you have two working vaccines in just 10 months, both of which boast great efficacy.
“So again, it's very important to recognize that it's this the free world, when we lift all the restrictions on risk. It could realize the wildest dreams, and somehow, I think the pandemics served us well, because it proved that we have to go back to the spirit of innovation and become pioneers, to become explorers. What's important, again, the free world has potential, and now this potential have been exposed in a positive way.” – Garry Kasparov
Human and A.I.
We then talked about technology and A.I., how people are still against it in fears of somehow making an evil sentient A.I. that will rule us all.