

The Other 22 Hours
Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation."
Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.
Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.
Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
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May 1, 2024 • 46min
Rissi Palmer on the year of no, speaking for the voiceless, and making the appointment.
Rissi Palmer signed her first record deal at 19, with her debut in 2007 she was the first black woman to make the country music charts in over 2 decades, she has toured with the likes of Taylor Swift, and the Eagles, appeared on Oprah, Good Morning America, at the White House, the Grand Ole Opry, and Lincoln Center, is the host of Apple Music's 'Color Me Country', and the director of the Color Me Country Artist Grant Fund. We talk about one of our favorite topics - saying no, prioritizing self care, speaking for those people who cannot speak for themselves, the music business as a meritocracy (ahem) and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Rissi Palmer'Color Me Country' - Apple MusicColor Me Country Artist Grant FundTami NeilsonDorothy DandrigeEp 43 - Gretchen PetersClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Apr 24, 2024 • 41min
Ana Egge on co-writing with your dreams, meditation practice, and skateboarding.
Ana Egge - who Lucinda Williams calls 'the folk music Nina Simone' - has released 13+ records, starting with her first in 1994, and including some produced by Steve Earle, is a luthier, and has toured with John Prine, Shawn Colvin, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Ron Sexmith, Lucinda, and Iris Dement amongst others. In one of our more intriguingly esoteric conversations, we talk a lot about meditation practice and how that influences your creativity and approach to your career as a whole, as well as how Ana stumbled across her incredible practice of co-writing with her own dreams!Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Ana EggeDave SangerAsleep at the WheelEsther PerelGeorge StraitFolk AllianceWestern State CenterEric WardSwedenborgEp 44 - Laura VeirsClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Apr 17, 2024 • 51min
Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams on finding the joy, balance, and the Tao of Levon.
Larry Campbell and Teresa Williams have released 4 albums as a duo, and were members of Levon Helm's band for over a decade, but the married couple also have a long musical history prior to becoming a formal duo. In addition to producing Levon's later career Grammy-winning records, Larry has played with Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Elvis Costello, Emmylou Harris, Judy Collins, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, and Tracy Chapman, to name a few. We have a great conversation about being in it for the joy of getting to make music, balancing being members of large-scale tours (including a great story of them on the road with Jackson Browne), prioritizing self care vs being a workaholic, and the Tao of Levon.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Larry Campbell & Teresa WilliamsFelix McTeigueRoger FriedmanTony LeoneBob DylanJackson BrowneFurther"Ain't In It For My Health" docNonesuch RecordsSinead O'Connor/Shane McGowan TributeHardly Strictly Bluegrass FestivalClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Apr 10, 2024 • 49min
Morgxn on when not to quit, transparency, and farming.
Morgxn is an indie-pop artist born and raised in Nashville who has had songs on the top 10 Billboard alternative charts, that Billie Eilish has personally named as inspiration, he has songs featuring Sara Bareilles, and has performed at Lollapalooza, Bumbershoot, on Jimmy Kimmel and more. We talk with Morgxn about the struggles of being in an industry that do a whole lot to actively support artists, the work it can take to break through imposter syndrome and identify as an artist, when not to quit, having enough seats at the table for everyone, farming, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:MorgxnWhat Is Vital ProjectJames BlakeWet LegFlight of the ConcordsTiesto Marshall AltmanEp 23 - Adia Victoria"Real Artist's Don't Starve"Dan WilsonSara BareillesVance PowellClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Apr 3, 2024 • 1h 18min
Steve Poltz on life as a treasure hunt, creating your own scene, and getting pinned on the mat.
Over the last 30+ years Steve Poltz has released more than 14 records both solo and with his 90's band The Rugburns, on his own label as well as Mercury Records, as well as a longtime collaboration with Jewell including co-writing her hit "You Were Meant for Me." We talk with Steve about everything from having a stroke on stage, mid-song (and continuing to sing the song), all the way to viewing life as a treasure hunt, slaying the dragons, his infectious positivity and optimism, and getting pinned to the mat.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Steve PoltzThe Rugburns30A Songwriter FestivalCayamoGrateful Dead - "American Beauty"Grateful Dead - "Workingman's Dead"The ReplacementsJewellWillie RandolphDan BernRocky Mountain Folks FestEp 28 - The Wood BrothersAJ CroceAndy FrascoChris GelbudaThe Buddy & Jim ShowClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Mar 27, 2024 • 58min
Sierra Hull on nature vs nurture, disappointment as fuel, and tour bus cafes.
Sierra Hull is the definition of child prodigy - she made her Grand Ole Opry debut at 10, played Carnegie Hall at 12, and signed her first record deal at 13. She has since gone on to become the first woman to win IBMA Mandolinist of the year (3x in a row), be nominated for a Grammy, perform with Garth Brooks, Indigo Girls, and Allison Krauss and Gillian Welch, and perform at the White House. We chat with Sierra about growing up learning on stage with people 3x her age, the contrast of then studying at Berklee on a full scholarship, to using disappointments as fuel, the power of seeing women represented on album covers and in the press, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Sierra HullEp 21 - Alice GerrardMichael DavesBerklee College of MusicMark RadabaughBela FleckAllison KraussCharlie WorshamRenaissance - Beyonce docChris ThileAllison BrownRhonda VincentClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Mar 20, 2024 • 48min
Langhorne Slim on getting out of the mind and into the heart, vices as a muse, and mountain tops.
Langhorne Slim has released 10 records over the last 20 years on a handful of labels (currently Dualtone Records), played festivals ranging from Newport Folk to Lollapalooza, late night shows from Letterman to Conan, and has had his music used in many many television shows and commercials. We go deep and vulnerable pretty quickly on everything from addiction/sobriety, the relentless inner monologue, mountain top envy, his new-found parenthood, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Langhorne SlimEp 42 - Robert EllisPatty GriffinJeff RatnerEp 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Mar 13, 2024 • 49min
Devon Gilfillian on freedom in routine, machine building, and meatballs.
Devon Gilfillian has released records on both Capital and Fantasy Records, played on Colbert and Kimmel, and opened for The Brothers Osborne, My Morning Jacket, Mavis Staples, Gladys Knight and more. We chat with him about how routine can create freedom in your life, the importance of physical wellbeing both on the road and at home, building a machine that can provide for your people, using your platform and voice as an artist, and all points in between.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Devon GilfillianWeGo City BusEp 26 - Katie Pruitt"The Artist's Way"Sam Harris Waking UpLevon & The Hawks (pre-The Band)Jason IsbellT-Bone BurnettEp 3 - The Milk Carton KidsBonoNina SimoneClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Mar 6, 2024 • 60min
Margo Price + Jeremy Ivey on balancing approaches, knowing your roll, and orange soda.
Margo Price and Jeremy Ivey are both artists, songwriters, and are married with kids. They've released records on Loma Vista, Anti-, Third Man and independently, and under Margo's project have been nominated for a Grammy, played SNL, won awards, and more. We talk about balancing the many rolls in their lives, both together and independently, creating together while also parenting together, going from having a band together (Buffalo Clover) to 'separate' careers, and so many metaphors from table settings to orange soda.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Margo PriceJeremy IveyThe 5 Spot“Desperate and Depressed”Oscar WildeChris StapletonEp 3 - The Milk Carton KidsErin RaeAnti- Ep 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Dec 27, 2023 • 49min
Mary Chapin Carpenter on owning the process, personalizing mistreatment, and weathering rejection.
Mary Chapin Carpenter is an 18x Grammy nominated, 5x Grammy winning, 6x platinum-selling singer-songwriter with over 16 albums and decades of touring so far in her career. We talk with Mary Chapin about her songwriting process, including her need for solitude and her practice of "song walking," we talk about how she still faces rejection even with all of her accolades and commercial success, how common and easy it is to personalize mistreatment from people in power (and how to combat that), and much more on this very candid final episode of Season 1.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Mary Chapin CarpenterCarl SandburgTaylor Swift Eras TourSteve PoltzEp 43 - Gretchen PetersEp 22 - Group Text (Erin Rae, Caroline Spence, Kelsey Waldon & Michaela Anne)Kelly ClarksonEp 16 - Rodney CrowellRose CousinsClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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