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The Biblical Mind is dedicated to helping its audience understand how the biblical authors thought, promoting Bible fluency through curious, careful reading of Scripture. It is hosted by Dr. Dru Johnson and published by the Center for Hebraic Thought, a hub for research and resources on the intellectual world of the Bible.
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May 29, 2025 • 57min
Is Abraham a Hero or a Warning? How Genre Makes or Breaks Your Bible Reading (Andy Judd) Ep. #202
In this engaging discussion, Old Testament scholar Andy Judd, an expert in genre studies, tackles the common pitfalls of biblical interpretation. He reveals how misreading genre can lead to flawed assumptions about figures like Abraham and the nature of biblical laws. Judd emphasizes the need to recognize different genres to avoid misunderstandings, using humor and literary insights to navigate complex texts. He also highlights the importance of biblical literacy in fostering accountable communities, offering fresh perspectives for readers.

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May 22, 2025 • 53min
Storge, Justice, and the Ten Commandments: Rethinking Biblical Love (Mike Tolliver) Ep. #201
Mike Tolliver, the Executive Director of the Center for Hebraic Thought, dives deep into familial love and biblical justice. He challenges the notion of prioritizing family over neighborly love, arguing that Storge is vital for societal function. Tolliver discusses the roles of the kinsman-redeemer and adoption in scripture, shedding light on how family ethics permeate the Ten Commandments. His exploration includes the complexities of family loyalty versus love for strangers, offering fresh perspectives on ancient concepts and modern implications.

May 15, 2025 • 54min
Managing Fame, Faith, and the Stage: Inside the (Christian) Music Industry (Nick Barre) Ep. #200
What does it mean to call something “Christian music”? Nick Barré has spent decades in the music industry—from working at EMI with early Switchfoot to managing major names like Casting Crowns, KB, Brandon Heath, and more. In this 200th episode of The Biblical Mind, he joins Dru Johnson to reflect on the Christian music label, the tension between calling and category, and how artists navigate faith and fame.
Nick argues that labeling music—or restaurants or plumbers—as “Christian” may do more harm than good. He shares why genre categories are a business necessity but spiritually unhelpful, and why the most important questions artists must answer are about calling, audience, and identity—not chart placement.
From spiritual burnout to public affirmation, from the temptations of platform to the dangers of envy, Nick shares pastoral, industry-hardened wisdom on how to guide artists into longevity and spiritual wholeness. He even offers advice for aspiring Christian musicians—and what it really means to “show, not tell” when pursuing a creative calling.
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Chapters:
00:00 Defining Christian Music
03:11 The Evolution of Music Genres
06:10 Navigating the Music Industry
08:57 The Dangers of Labeling
12:09 The Role of Artists in Ministry
15:16 The Impact of Fame on Identity
18:24 Identifying Unique Gifts in Artists
25:41 Exploring Diverse Artist Portfolios
28:29 Navigating Hard Conversations in the Music Industry
31:05 Defining Success in the Arts
33:15 The Challenge of Artistic Compromise
37:06 Understanding Market Dynamics in Music
40:22 Fragmentation of the Music Industry
46:39 Advice for Aspiring Christian Artists

May 8, 2025 • 1h
Why Intellectual Humility Is the Key to Understanding Scripture (Matt Whitman) Ep. #199
Matt Whitman, host of The Ten Minute Bible Hour and a digital evangelist, shares insights on the challenges people face in understanding Scripture. He discusses the fear of being wrong and the pressures of church hurt. Whitman advocates for intellectual humility, curiosity, and empathy in scriptural engagement. The conversation highlights the importance of interpretive grace and the revolutionary shift in understanding divine presence. Ultimately, it’s about embracing uncertainty and fostering a compassionate dialogue in faith.

May 1, 2025 • 53min
Evolution and Identity: A Jewish Perspective on Science and Belief (Rachel Pear) Ep. #198
What happens when science, religion, and education collide? In this episode, Dr. Rachel Pear shares her remarkable journey from growing up in New York’s modern Orthodox Jewish community to researching how evolution is taught and received across Israeli society.
A scholar of science education and prehistoric archaeology, Rachel discusses how Jewish, Christian, and Muslim communities in Israel grapple differently with the question of human origins. Why do some teachers avoid the topic altogether? Why do secular and religious students draw such hard lines around what’s “acceptable” to believe? And how do family, community, and national identity shape scientific acceptance?
Rachel also shares her experience presenting three distinct rabbinic views on evolution in schools, showing students that Jewish thought isn’t monolithic—and that questioning is part of the tradition. She explores the cultural weight of science, the legacy of eugenics, and how educators can create space for real dialogue in science classrooms.
Whether you’re an educator, a religious thinker, or just curious about how evolution meets identity, this episode offers a rich, honest look at a complex conversation that’s still evolving.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Rachel's Journey
02:49 Exploring Prehistoric Archaeology and Cultural Contexts
05:48 The Intersection of Evolution and Religion
08:48 Cultural Perspectives on Evolution in Israel
11:57 The Role of Education in Science and Religion
14:57 Diverse Views on Evolution in Arab Schools
17:58 The Complexity of Science and Cultural Identity
20:50 Reflections on Science, Culture, and Religion
27:27 Navigating Values in Education
32:20 The Complexity of Teaching Evolution
35:53 Epistemology and the Scientific Method
40:51 Cultural Perspectives on Evolution
45:32 The Intersection of Tradition and Modernity

Apr 24, 2025 • 54min
Is Evolution a Dirty Word? Muslim Perspectives on Science and Religion (Shoaib Malik) Ep. #197
Is the relationship between Islam and science as well-developed as it is in Christianity? Not even close—but that’s changing. In this episode, Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, Lecturer in Science and Religion at the University of Edinburgh, joins Dru Johnson to share the emerging field of Islam and science, focusing on the hot topic of evolution.
Shoaib unpacks the historical development of Islamic engagement with science, tracing it from early encounters with Western scientific frameworks to the present. He explains why the Islamic world lacks infrastructure like textbooks, academic chairs, and journals for the science-religion conversation—and why that’s finally beginning to change.
But what about evolution? Shoaib shares why it remains a highly sensitive subject in Muslim-majority countries (including stories of professors losing jobs over it) and how Muslim views differ from Christian ones, especially around original sin, Adam, and human suffering.
This is an honest, fascinating look at how Muslims are navigating modern science, why cultural and religious taboos persist, and how Shoaib’s work is shaping new conversations at the intersection of Islamic theology and science.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Shoaib Ahmed Malik's Journey
03:11 Transition from Engineering to Humanities
06:00 Teaching Experience in the UAE
09:14 Pursuing Philosophy, Science, and Religion
12:18 Publishing and Academic Recognition
15:11 Navigating Career Changes and New Opportunities
18:29 Exploring Science and Religion Conversations
26:43 Navigating Conversations with Students
27:29 Understanding Islam: Sunni vs Shia
30:19 The Contemporary Muslim World: Sunni and Shia Dynamics
31:34 The Intellectual History of Islam
35:17 Muslim Perspectives on Science and Religion
39:01 Islamization of Science: A Discourse Emerges
42:48 The Development of Islamic Science Education
44:25 Evolution and Its Reception in the Muslim World
48:11 Unique Questions Muslims Ask About Evolution

Apr 17, 2025 • 37min
Can Muslims, Jews, and Christians Talk About Science and Scripture? (Dru Johnson) Ep. #196
Gathering 15 scholars from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, a groundbreaking workshop merged faith and science to discuss creation. They tackled how evolution, genetics, and astrophysics relate to theological concepts. A unique insight on Neanderthals and menopause sparked reflections on intergenerational care and biblical values. The discussions illuminated the potential for a biblical philosophy of science and examined whether Hebraic thought can influence modern scientific methods, fostering rich dialogues across diverse beliefs.

Apr 10, 2025 • 22min
Syndicated: Jesus and Jewish Law (Logan Williams and Paul Sloan) Ep. #195
Join Paul Sloan and Logan Williams, co-hosts of the Jesus and the Jewish Law podcast, as they unpack the complexities of the Mosaic Law and its implications in understanding Jesus. They tackle seven common misconceptions, clarifying that the Law was never just a burdensome set of rules, but a means to maintain God’s presence. Discover how impurity doesn't equal sin, the uniqueness of legal obligations, and how Jesus actually enriches the Torah's ethical teachings. It's a fresh and insightful guide to viewing Law through a Hebraic lens.

Apr 3, 2025 • 33min
ICYMI - Wisdom of Primal Peoples in the Era of World Christianity (Jangkholam Haokip) Ep. #194
Dr. Jangkholam Haokip, an Indian theologian and author, sheds light on the intersections of indigenous culture and Christianity. He reflects on his own journey from Kuki Primal Religion to Christianity, emphasizing community ties over individualism. Jangkholam discusses God's covenants in Genesis, linking them to ecological concerns today. He advocates for a shift in theological education, urging the inclusion of indigenous voices. Through his work, he aims to enrich Christian understanding by amplifying diverse cultural perspectives.

Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 4min
Is God Really Unchanging? Challenging Classical Theism’s View of God (R.T. Mullins) Ep. #193
Is God emotionless and unchanging? Many systematic theologians have long argued that God is completely impassible—meaning He cannot feel, suffer, or be influenced by creation. But is this truly what the Bible teaches?
In this episode, Dr. R.T. Mullins joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to challenge traditional ideas about God’s nature, emotions, and engagement with the world. He explains how philosophy has often shaped theology more than scripture, why systematic theologians ignore biblical descriptions of God’s emotions, and what it actually means to call God all-powerful and all-knowing.
Dru and R.T. explore the hidden assumptions behind classical theism, why ancient theologians rejected the idea that God could suffer, and whether modern theology needs a reset. Mullins also discusses how our view of God shapes how we pray, worship, and think about suffering.
If you’ve ever wondered why theology sometimes feels disconnected from the Bible, or why certain doctrines sound more like philosophy than scripture, this episode will challenge you to rethink how we describe God.
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Chapters:
00:00 Understanding the Doctrine of God
03:21 Concepts of God: Models and Attributes
06:23 The Role of Scripture in Systematic Theology
09:15 Historical Perspectives on God's Attributes
12:21 Philosophical Underpinnings of Theological Claims
15:12 The Challenge of Defining God's Perfections
18:04 Empathy and Knowledge in God's Nature
21:13 The Intersection of Philosophy and Scripture
24:11 Concluding Thoughts on God's Nature
30:53 The Nature of God's Communication
33:08 Empathy and the Divine: A Theological Dilemma
36:18 Impassibility and the Perfection of God
38:45 The Role of Empathy in Hebrew Moral Philosophy
41:44 The Disconnect Between Systematic Theology and Biblical Texts
45:28 Cultural Perspectives on Biblical Literature
47:16 Upcoming Projects: Debates and Collaborative Works