Work For Humans

What do the drafters of the U.S. Constitution, 19th-century industrialists, and a modern defense contractor have in common? According to economic sociologist Joseph Blasi, they all believed in one powerful idea: that democracy itself depends on ownership, and that ownership should be broadly shared. He argues that if we want work to truly work for humans, we need to think beyond job design to a more fundamental question: Who owns the value that work creates? In this episode, Dart and Joe tell the story of shared ownership, from 1700s fishing crews and America’s founding ideals to an $8 billion worker-owned defense contractor, and what it means for the future of work.Joseph Blasi is a Distinguished Professor at the Rutgers School of Management and Labor Relations, where he studies the economic sociology of corporations, governance, and the workplace. He is director of the Institute for the Study of Employee Ownership and Profit Sharing and co-author of The Citizen’s Share.In this episode, Dart and Joe discuss:- How democracy depends on shared ownership- The surprising history of profit-sharing on cod fishing ships- How early U.S. policies supported worker ownership- Why ESOPs work and where they fall short- The role of tax policy in spreading employee ownership- What the founders envisioned for property and citizenship- How wealth distribution shapes democratic institutions- Does America have enough ownership to sustain democracy?- And other topics...Joseph Blasi is a Distinguished Professor at the School of Management and Labor Relations at Rutgers University. He directs the Institute for the Study of Employee Ownership and Profit Sharing and is a leading scholar in the economic sociology of corporations and the future of work. He is the co-author of several books, including The Citizen’s Share, Shared Capitalism at Work, and In the Company of Owners. His research has shaped public policy on employee ownership and equity compensation in the U.S. and internationally.Resources Mentioned:The Citizen's Share: Reducing Inequality in the 21st Century, by Joseph R. Blasi, Richard B. Freeman, and Douglas L. Kruse: https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Share-Reducing-Inequality-Century/dp/0300209339Rutgers Institute for the Study of Employee Ownership and Profit Sharing: https://smlr.rutgers.edu/content/institute-study-employee-ownership-and-profit-sharingESOP Association: https://www.esopassociation.org/Connect with Joseph:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-blasi-870102111/Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

From an early age, John Truby knew that stories are not just something that happens on a page. Story is all around us. It structures how we interpret events, and even how we decide how to live.  For John, story forms explain the way the world works.John is a screenwriter and the founder and director of Truby’s Writers Studio in Los Angeles, where he teaches novelists, screenwriters and TV writers the deep secrets of what makes a great story. His students have generated more than fifteen billion dollars at the box office, and studios like Sony Pictures, Disney, Fox, HBO and AMC routinely consult John on how to improve the stories they tell.In this replay episode, Dart and John discuss:- The 14 genres that categorize everyday life- Which genres produce the most fulfilling work- Sales as an action story- Business Analysis as detective story- Corporate culture as western - Career as coming of age and memoir- How the horror genre lurks in the shadows around every layoff- And more…John Truby is a screenwriter, director, screenwriting teacher, author, and Hollywood consultant for studios such as Disney, Sony Pictures, Fox, HBO, and AMC. He is the founder and director of Truby’s Writers Studio and has worked on over 1,000 film scripts over the last 30 years.John created his 22-step outline for storytelling in his first book, The Anatomy of Story, teaching his techniques through global masterclasses to over 50,000 students worldwide since the start of his career. His latest book, The Anatomy of Genres, was released in 2022.Resources Mentioned:The Anatomy of Genres, by Jon Truby: https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Genres-Story-Forms-Explain/dp/0374539227The Anatomy of Criticism, by Northrop Frye https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Criticism-Essays-Princeton-Classics/dp/0691202567Winning on Purpose, by Fred Reichheld: https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Purpose-Unbeatable-Strategy-Customers/dp/B09PC69XV3The Complete Aubrey/Maturin Novels, by Patrick O’Brian: https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Aubrey-Maturin-Novels-volumes/dp/039306011XCinema Paradiso (film), 1988Master and Commander (film), 2003Shane (film), 1953Glengarry Glen Ross (play), by David MametWorld Experience Organization: https://worldxo.org/Connect with John:Website: www.truby.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/johntrubyWork with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Nick Romeo, a journalist featured in The New Yorker and author of 'The Alternative: How to Build a Just Economy', shares compelling insights on transforming our economic landscape. He discusses the urgent need for a new definition of living wage and the power of cooperative ownership models. Romeo critiques traditional economics for oversimplifying human needs and explores innovative gig work solutions that prioritize fairness. The conversation also highlights sustainable business practices and the potential of collaborative ownership in reshaping societal norms.

Elizabeth Anderson, a political philosopher focused on democracy and economic justice, joins Dart Lindsley to discuss the evolution of the work ethic. They explore how historical thinkers like Adam Smith and Karl Marx shaped labor principles that promote dignity and equality. The conversation critiques the neoliberal shift that has concentrated corporate power and suppressed wages. They also highlight the importance of worker protections and the ongoing struggle for gender equality within the workplace, emphasizing the need to reclaim work as a source of fairness and dignity.

In this engaging discussion, Elizabeth Anderson, a renowned professor from the University of Michigan, dives deep into the evolution of the work ethic from a moral principle to a tool for social control. She examines how historical figures like Malthus influenced damaging views on poverty and labor. The conversation highlights the stark contrast between work as a source of dignity versus a means of discipline. Anderson also reveals the dark legacy of the Irish Potato Famine, tracing its connections to contemporary welfare policies and societal attitudes toward the poor.

Elizabeth Anderson, a prominent philosopher from the University of Michigan, delves into the deep historical roots of our modern work ethic, revealing how it morphed into a moral obligation. She explores the Protestant Reformation's influence, contrasting theological shifts in views on labor and salvation. The discussion shines a light on how concepts from figures like Locke shaped property views and individual worth, and critiques the damaging use of the work ethic against the poor. Anderson emphasizes the need to reclaim the original purpose of work: to serve humanity.

Luke O’Mahoney is one of the leaders of the movement to reframe work as a product that every company sells to employees. In particular, Luke has gone deep into the implications of recognizing work as a subscription product, and brings an absolute wealth of ideas to bear on how to create the kind of work experience product that employees want to buy every day. People don't stay in jobs because of free snacks, ping pong tables, or flashy recruiting campaigns. They stay because work works for them.Luke is now a chief people officer - in recovery. As the founder of Sapienˣ, he helps organizations stop playing the short game and start designing work experiences that drive long-term retention and advocacy. In this episode, Dart and Luke discuss why hiring funnels are broken, what it really means to design work as a product, and how companies can build flywheels that continuously reengage employees. They also explore why transparency, not perks, keeps people invested in their roles.In this episode, Dart and Luke discuss:- Why work should be designed as a subscription product- Funnels vs. flywheels in hiring and retention- How bad recruiting leads to employee buyer’s remorse- The role of delight in keeping employees engaged- How hiring attracts more hiring and losing creates churn- Why transparency in recruiting matters more than perks- What Luke hires his job to do for him- How to build work experiences people want to subscribe to- And other topics...Luke O'Mahoney is a people strategist and founder of Sapienˣ, where he helps companies design work experiences using product-led thinking. With a background in recruitment, talent operations, and startup leadership, he applies lessons from subscription business models to hiring and retention. Previously, he led people and operations at a high-growth startup, overseeing product, marketing, and GTM strategy alongside HR. His work focuses on building sustainable people strategies that drive engagement, retention, and advocacy.Resources Mentioned:Good to Great by Jim Collins: https://www.amazon.com/Good-Great-Some-Companies-Others-ebook/dp/B0058DRUV6Built for People by Jessica Zwaan: https://www.amazon.com/Built-People-Experience-Management-Principles/dp/1398608025Connect with Luke:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lukeomahoney Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

In this engaging discussion, Alex Komoroske, a product leader and systems thinker, explores the concept of work as an ecosystem. He emphasizes the importance of creativity over rigid frameworks and reveals how product management can enhance work design. Alex shares insights on how managers should act as curators to foster innovation and empower teams rather than control them. The conversation highlights the impact of narrative in experience creation and the significance of supportive leadership in shaping employee engagement and collaboration.

Charlotte Dales, co-founder and CEO of Inclusively, passionately discusses the crucial role of personalized support at work. She reveals how silent struggles can hinder employee performance and the importance of mental health resources. Charlotte highlights Gen Z's demand for individualized accommodations and the significance of Employee Resource Groups in driving change. She emphasizes that when employees thrive through tailored solutions, businesses see substantial benefits, showcasing that understanding and addressing unique needs is a win-win for everyone.

When Josh Fryday’s wife was evacuated from Japan after the 2011 Japan disaster, he stayed behind. As a Navy officer, he joined Operation Tomodachi, one of the largest humanitarian relief efforts in history. Working alongside people who thought differently, he learned that service brings people together around a common mission to accomplish amazing things.Now, as California’s first-ever Secretary of Service, Josh is helping build the largest state-run service corps in the U.S. Through programs like College Corps and the Climate Corps, thousands of Californians are getting paid opportunities to serve their communities while gaining the critical skills and social networks they need to thrive in the workforce.In this episode, Dart and Josh discuss:- Service as the ultimate training ground for work- How College Corps is reshaping the leap from school to career- How social capital shapes careers- The soft skills crisis- The human edge AI will never replace- Fighting isolation block by block- What businesses can learn from teams with a mission- Why other states are copying California’s service model- And other topics...Josh Fryday is California’s Secretary of Service, leading the nation’s most ambitious state service initiative under Governor Gavin Newsom. He created the College Corps and Climate Action Corps, paying thousands of young people to serve their communities while gaining critical career skills. A Navy veteran and former Mayor of Novato, Josh also led efforts to expand the California Earned Income Tax Credit, helping low-income families across the state. His work bridges service, workforce development, and civic engagement.Resources Mentioned:California Volunteers: https://californiavolunteers.ca.gov/College Corps: https://www.californiavolunteers.ca.gov/californiansforall-college-corps/Neighbor-to-Neighbor Initiative: https://www.californiavolunteers.ca.gov/neighbor-to-neighbor/Bowling Alone, by Robert Putnam: https://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046Hardball: How Politics Is Played, by Chris Matthews: https://www.amazon.com/Hardball-Politics-Played-Chris-Matthews/dp/0684845598Eyes on the Prize documentary: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092999/Connect with Josh:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-fryday-b9625219/Twitter: https://x.com/JoshFrydayWork with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.