
The Evolving Leader
The Evolving Leader Podcast is a show set in the context of the world’s ‘great transition’ – technological, environmental and societal upheaval – that requires deeper, more committed leadership to confront the world’s biggest challenges. Hosts, Jean Gomes (a New York Times best selling author) and Scott Allender (an award winning leadership development specialist working in the creative industries) approach complex topics with an urgency that matches the speed of change. This show will give insights about how today’s leaders can grow their capacity for leading tomorrow’s rapidly evolving world. With accomplished guests from business, neuroscience, psychology, and more, the Evolving Leader Podcast is a call to action for deep personal reflection, and conscious evolution. The world is evolving, are you?A little more about the hosts:New York Times best selling author, Jean Gomes, has more than 30 years experience working with leaders and their teams to help them face their organisation’s most challenging issues. His clients span industries and include Google, BMW, Toyota, eBay, Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Warner Music, Sony Electronics, Alexander McQueen, Stella McCartney, the UK Olympic system and many others.Award winning leadership development specialist, Scott Allender has over 20 years experience working with leaders across various businesses, including his current role heading up global leadership development at Warner Music. An expert practitioner in emotional intelligence and psychometric tools, Scott has worked to help teams around the world develop radical self-awareness and build high performing cultures.The Evolving Leader podcast is produced by Phil Kerby at Outside © 2024The Evolving Leader music is a Ron Robinson composition, © 2022
Latest episodes

Nov 8, 2023 • 54min
Managing Microstress with Rob Cross
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender welcome Rob Cross back to the podcast. We last saw Rob in June 2022 (S4, Ep17) and we’re extremely pleased that he’s come back to talk to us about his latest book, ‘The Microstress Effect’. Rob defines microstress as ‘the hidden epidemic of small moments of stress infiltrating both our work and personal lives with invisible and devastating effects’. Sit back and listen as Rob tells us how to break free from this quietly invasive force that is stealing your life. Referenced during this episode:The Microstress Effect: How Little Things Pile Up and Create Big ProblemsRob Cross website Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender: Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Nov 3, 2023 • 25min
BONUS: Meet the Author in 15 minutes with Stuart McLachlan and Dean Sanders
In the this bonus ‘Meet the Author in 15 minutes’ episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Jean Gomes talks to Stuart McLachlan and Dean Sanders. Stuart and Dean have written “The Adventure of Sustainable Performance: Beyond ESG Compliance to Leadership in the New Era” (Wiley, 2023) which the publisher describes as ‘a guidebook for leaders to create value from sustainability and organisational performance”. Referenced during this episode:The Adventure of Sustainable Performance: Beyond ESG Compliance to Leadership in the New EraAnthesisCanoeing Under Elephants Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender: Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Oct 25, 2023 • 56min
How Wellbeing Can Create Competitive Advantage with Dr Richard Safeer
Dr Richard Safeer, Chief Medical Director of Employee Health at Johns Hopkins Medicine, discusses the importance of wellbeing in the workplace as a source of competitive advantage. He highlights the need to shift from a sacrifice mentality to value-based approach, prioritize employee well-being, and create a positive workplace culture. Strategies for building a well-being culture, making a personal connection with decision-makers, and supporting employees' families are also explored.

Oct 11, 2023 • 1h 7min
Think Anew about Diversity and Inclusion with Jonathan Kaufman
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Sara Deschamps talk to Jonathan Kaufman, who is leading the debate about how we can think differently about the converging issues of diversity, disability and the huge market opportunities they represent. Our conversation ranges from his time as a White House advisor to Barack Obama, to his current work as a research consultant and activist. His creative and optimistic mind is infectious, constantly reframing to find social and commercial innovation opportunities where others see stalled points and roadblocks. There's much to learn here so sit back and enjoy this fascinating conversation. Referenced during this episode:J Kaufman Consulting Forbes articles Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender: Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022) The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_Leader YouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Oct 4, 2023 • 54min
Ruthlessly Caring and Other Paradoxes with Amy Walters Cohen
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to applied psychology researcher and author Amy Walters Cohen. In her book ‘Ruthlessly Caring and Other Paradoxical Mindsets’, Amy explores how leaders cope with the true landscape of leadership judgement, comprising competing demands and seemingly impossible paradoxes that morph over time. Sit back and listen as Amy, Jean and Emma discuss the rise in the forces that create (what Amy refers to as) the washing machine effect, and the five paradoxical mindsets that she believes will be essential for future fit leadership. References from this episode: Ruthlessly Caring and Other Paradoxical Mindsets (Amy Walters Cohen, 2023) Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender: Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022) The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 27, 2023 • 59min
Decoding the Entrepreneurial Mindset with Rachel Stockey
Today on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Rachel Stockey. Rachel is the head of The Department of Entrepreneurial Skills at King’s College London. Rachel’s mission is to unlock the limitless potential of people and their ideas and as part of that she works to demystify the world of entrepreneurship in order to spark the next generation of thought leaders, disrupters and innovators who are ready to take on the big challenges we face globally. Outside of King’s, Rachel coaches entrepreneurs ‘to help them stay sane’, make better decisions, build better companies and look after themselves in the process.References from this episode:Seven skills of an entrepreneurial mindset How entrepreneurial is your current thinking?Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 20, 2023 • 60min
Why Leaders Need to Confront Their Trauma with Mike Skrypnek
In this latest episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to Mike Skrypnek. Mike is a strategist helping entrepreneurs and industry leaders find their happiness. He is the founder and chair of The UNLimited WORTH Wellness Society and Project, an organisation that he set up to realise a vision of a world free from the impacts of trauma. Mike hosts the Unlimited Worth podcast and in August 2023 his book UnLimited Worth was published.References from this episode:UNLimited WORTH: Lessons of Healing from Childhood Trauma; Finding Happiness, Love and Success for Male LeadersThe UNLimited Worth podcastOther reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_Leader YouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 13, 2023 • 58min
Leading In The Storm with Emma Sky
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to Emma Sky. Emma is an expert on conflict, reconciliation and stability, and has worked mainly in the Middle East. She served in Iraq as the political advisor to US General Ray Odierno and General David Petraeus during the surge and is now Director of the International Leadership Center at Yale University, overseeing the Yale World Fellows program and other initiatives. Emma Sky is a Senior Fellow at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, where she lectures on Middle East politics and global affairs.SUGGESTED READING FROM THIS EPISODE:The Unravelling: High Hopes and Missed Opportunities in Iraq (Emma Sky, 2015)In a Time of Monsters: Travelling in a Middle East in Revolt (Emma Sky, 2019)The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 6, 2023 • 39min
Leading In The Age of AI with Nick Charath
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to leadership consultant, author and AI expert Nick Chatrath. In his work, Nick’s focus is helping others be all they can be, and currently that includes helping clients bridge the gap between what it means to be human in a new world of Artificial Intelligence (AI), and in creating environments where others can do their best thinking. In February 2023, Nick’s book ‘The Threshold, Leading In The Age of AI’ was published, within which Nick presents a framework for how leaders can adapt to the new age of AI by leaning in the qualities and skills that make us uniquely human. The Threshold: Leading in the Age of AI (Diversion Books, 2023) www.youtube.com/@evolvingleader0’00 Introduction4'58 Tell us about yourself and your career and what led you to write your book?7’17 In your view what are the qualities that make us uniquely human and give us the advantage?9’26 Your book is about our relationship with AI and you talk about needing to manage both a psychological independence from AI while simultaneously maintaining a close relationship with it. Can you delve into that for us?12’30 How do you prime the people you work with to try and get into this more divergent form of thinking?16’11 Tell us more about the competitive advantage for an organisation that embraces the more human piece versus the companies that are prioritising the technology19’26 You point out that old models of leadership are obsolete. In your view, which models of leadership should be done away with and what should they be replaced with?21'56 What do you think in terms of how we need to evolve to co-exist with AI as a pervasive environment?26’25 How do we not fall into the trap of embracing almost magical properties onto AI and ensuring that it’s not the GPS system that takes us over the cliff?30’15 How do we start to raise leadership consciousness as things move forwards so rapidly?35’15 What’s next for you? Where are you taking this?36’27 What’s the hope for your daughters? What kind of world do you hope they will step into in terms of their relationship with technology? Social:Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_Leader YouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Aug 30, 2023 • 58min
The Weird, Irrational, and Wonderful Ways Humans Navigate the Workplace with Matthias Sutter
Economics has often been accused of making inferences about human behaviour without any real understanding of how we actually make decisions, choose between options or act against our stated interests. Behavioural economics combining economics and psychology started to accelerate its development in the 1980s, but its roots can be traced back to the 18th century economist Adam Smith. In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Matthias Sutter, one of the world’s leading behavioural economists about his (often) counter-intuitive findings, and how they can help leaders create fairer, more inclusive organisations.Behavioral Economics for Leaders (Matthias Sutter, 2023)www.youtube.com/@evolvingleader3.10 Give us a summary of your journey as an economist and the areas that you are most intrigued and excited about5.11 How do you approach this work and how is this field evolving?7.05 In your book your write about how economic outcomes are shaped by hidden biases. Can you unpack what's going on there?11.13 Can you share some of your findings around the value of these social skills and how they translate into financial benefits for organisations?14.24 What's the missing convincing component that we need to tap into?17.03 You have said that when you are trying to find a job, it's the weaker connections in your social network that are most important. Why is that?18.37 Something else you point out is that having more women in a start-up is a predictor of longevity. Tell us about this21.32 What happens when companies become more transparent with salaries?25.34 There are parts of the world that require transparency. What are some insights that will help leaders manage that double edged sword?27.36 You said that employees who don't support company mission statements are 50% less productive. Can you unpack that?31.18 Moving to the need for quotas to encourage more gender equality. Why do we need quotas?34.54 The underlying assumption is that being competitive is a core part of being a good leader, but you're saying that there is more to it than that37.01 Your research suggests that women leaders can earn more revenue per employee when they are on the board. Can you elaborate?39.57 What have you learnt about trust?44.43 Do you have any other insights or advice on how leaders might build or accelerate a sense of trust in their teams?47.14 Can we talk about decision making and money?50.55 Can we talk about your research into teenager's and children's decision making? What are you doing in that area? 53.33 What's the most powerful that helps children and teenagers to build that muscle of differed gratification?55.09 What have you learnt on what encompases or inhibits ethical behaviour amongst individuals and teams?Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderYouTube @evolvingleader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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