

The Body of Evidence
Dr. Christopher Labos
Dr. Christopher Labos and guests use the body of evidence to go beyond science and medicine headlines and hype. All to help you develop your critical thinking skills so that when you google your symptoms, you won't believe you're going to die tomorrow.
The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.
The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.
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May 3, 2020 • 7min
Mini-Interview - Amanda Seigler on USA vs Bleach
The United States government has filed a complaint for injunction against the main seller of a type of bleach claimed to cure people of autism, COVID-19, and cancer. Jonathan speaks to Amanda Seigler, the executive director of Fierce Autistics and Allies, to bring him up to speed. Fierce Autistics and Allies on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FierceAandA Fierce Autistics and Allies on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/381958535858842/ Amanda Seigler on Twitter: https://twitter.com/fierceautie Amanda Seigler on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fierceadvocate/

Apr 26, 2020 • 52min
Interview - David Robert Grimes on 5G
Jonathan and Chris speak to David Robert Grimes, physicist, cancer researcher and science writer, about 5G and why we believe things that aren't true. 1:00 A physicist who studies biology 2:46 What is radiation? 4:16 Harm from radiation 7:02 5G 13:01 Why can't 5G cook us? 15:51 Genuine concerns about 5G 19:26 The psychology of conspiracy theorists 23:41 Schrödinger's bin Laden 28:00 5G and COVID and the Towering Infernos 31:16 Electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome 37:05 Talking to believers 41:05 Live. Die. Repeat. 47:12 The Irrational Ape * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus Q&A with Grimes about the antivaccine movement and COVID-19. Links: 1) David Robert Grimes' website: https://www.davidrobertgrimes.com/ 2) His book, The Irrational Ape: https://www.davidrobertgrimes.com/copy-of-research-papers 3) David Robert Grimes on Twitter: https://twitter.com/drg1985

Apr 4, 2020 • 1h 23min
060 - The COVID-19 Pandemic
A comprehensive look at COVID-19 and its infectious agent, SARS-CoV-2, also known as "the coronavirus." Jonathan and Chris are joined by Dr. Matthew Oughton, an infectious disease specialist, to share the state of the evidence about the current pandemic. Recorded March 26th, 2020. 4:25 How is the disease transmitted? 18:18 What do we know about the virus? 23:47 What are the signs and symptoms? 36:50 How do we test for it? 44:09 What can doctors do? 57:48 How do we avoid it? 1:02:51 Common questions * Cover song by Joseph Hackl * Additional original music by Seth Donnelly * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! Music Credits: Emotional Sad Strings by Rafael Krux Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/6011-emotional-sad-strings License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Travelling With Friends by AlekSound Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/5938-travelling-with-friends License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Mar 22, 2020 • 1h 8min
Special - House of God
Jonathan, Chris, and special guest Nicholas Koziris discuss the popular novel House of God by Samuel Shem, a thinly veiled fictional account of Shem's year as a medical intern at a major hospital in Boston, published in 1978. They discuss despair, suicide, and doctors lusting after busty nurses. But they mostly look at how much medicine has (or hasn't) changed in the past 50 years. This episode contains adult themes and language. The book: https://bit.ly/2W6tEbI 0:00 First impressions 8:19 Women 17:42 Patients 26:00 Laws of the House of God 36:51 Buff and Turf 41:15 House of God: The Movie 45:43 Compassion and judgment in healthcare 55:30 House of God vs. Scrubs (vs. ER) 1:01:00 Parting thoughts and lots of dead bodies To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Music Credits Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. Expressive Blockbuster by Rafael Krux Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/5349-expressive-blockbuster- License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Dantes Dream by MusicParadise Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/5061-dantes-dream License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Shades of Spring by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4342-shades-of-spring License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Chromatic Fantasia (Bach BWV 930) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/3504-chromatic-fantasia-bach-bwv-930- License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Raindrops by Rafael Krux Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/5590-raindrops- License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Mar 17, 2020 • 57min
The Body of Evidence Presents Magic of the Mind
Morgan Sweeney, who has collaborated with us in the past, has created a podcast that uses storytelling set in the Forgotten Realms of Dungeons & Dragons to teach people about the ways of the human brain. It's called Magic of the Mind, and we are sharing its second episode, on perception and attention, because we, uh, have cameos in it. Enjoy! To listen to more episodes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/magic-of-the-mind/id1498237612 Magic of the Mind website: magicofthemind.ca Magic of the Mind on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MagicoftheMind1

Mar 8, 2020 • 1h 5min
059 - Arthritis and Biosimilars
Arthritis: what it is; osteoarthritis vs. inflammatory arthritis; rheumatism; the risks and benefits of treatments // biosimilars, the "generic drugs" of biologics // Q&A: Chris' qualms about omega-3 supplements for your heart // The Health Canada Ministry of Truth // Natural products claiming to cure cancer * Jingle by Joseph Hackl * Additional original music by Seth Donnelly * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! Reference: 1) Cochrane review on exercise for arthritis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26405113 2) Aquatic exercise and arthritis: https://www.cochrane.org/CD005523/MUSKEL_aquatic-exercise-people-osteoarthritis-knee-or-hip 3) Weight loss and arthritis improvement: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17204567 4) Tylenol meta-analyses: https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1225 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)31744-0/fulltext 5) Review on topical NSAIDs: https://www.cochrane.org/CD007402/SYMPT_topical-non-steroidal-anti-inflammatory-drugs-acute-musculoskeletal-pain-adults 6) Capsaicin as a treatment for chronic pain: https://www.cochrane.org/CD007393/SYMPT_capsaicin-applied-skin-chronic-neuropathic-pain-adults 7) Corticosteroids injections: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26490760 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28510679 8) Knee braces and orthotics: https://www.cochrane.org/CD004020/MUSKEL_braces-and-orthoses-for-osteoarthritis-of-the-knee 9) Duloxetien for knee pain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26176791 10) Glucosamine and chondroitin: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa052771?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov 11) Trials fo knee surgery for arthritis: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1505467 12) The omega-3 for cardiovascular disease meta-analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31567003?fbclid=IwAR31Z3qq07L9RULPuvFVyzTKavjgde3Mgl_A2LD7BTtw2u4ZZNvat8wAzEU 13) The CTV report on homeopathy: https://bit.ly/2IlNRSx 14) Bad Science Watch report on natural health products and cancer claims: https://badsciencewatch.ca/natural-health-product-retailers-sell-cancer-cures/ Music Credits: Meanwhile in Bavaria by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4028-meanwhile-in-bavaria License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Countdown by Alexander Nakarada Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4865-countdown License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Imagefilm 036 by Sascha Ende Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/2941-imagefilm-036 License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Feb 23, 2020 • 59min
Interview - Paul Ingraham on Massage Myths
Chris and Jonathan speak to Paul Ingraham, a former massage therapist and author of the website PainScience.com, about the many myths surrounding massages. It will blow your socks off. 1:14 Training as a massage therapist 3:22 Chris wants to massage people 4:47 PainScience.com 10:29 Chris' big massage reveal 11:43 Increasing circulation 17:46 Tightness 22:00 Do massages detox or toxify the body? 30:25 Post-exercice massages 34:07 Inflammation 36:43 May the fascia be with you 39:46 The endorphins that weren't there 42:45 Tiger Balm and Its Rubefacient Orchestra 45:28 Clearing the C-spine 46:22 Does Paul recommend massages (and chiropractic)? 49:59 Massages for depression and anxiety 51:50 The complex puzzle of chronic pain 54:47 Paul takes us to his site * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! Links: 1) Paul Ingraham's website: https://www.painscience.com/ 2) 34 Surprising Causes of Pain: https://www.painscience.com/articles/surprising-ways-to-hurt.php

Feb 9, 2020 • 1h 6min
058 - The Flu and That New Coronavirus
Flu: Cold vs. flu; the anatomy of a virus; when viruses make a MegaZord; diagnosing, preventing and testing for the flu // coronavirus disease COVID-19 // update on talc and ovarian cancer * Vox pop by David Lonstein * Jingle by Jillian Correia of Roctavio Canada * Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.com. * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! Jonathan's upcoming public events: https://jonathanjarry.com/category/events/ And Chris will be at ComSciConCan 2020: https://comscicon.com/comscicon-can-2020 Reference: 1) JAMA paper on talc and ovarian cancer: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2758452

Jan 26, 2020 • 57min
Interview - Stephan Guyenet on Obesity and Hunger
Jonathan and Chris speak to Stephan Guyenet, Ph.D., the author of the book The Hungry Brain and the creator of the health book review site Red Pen Reviews, about hunger, obesity, and the highs and lows of debating a journalist on one of the biggest platforms on the Internet. 0:00 Introduction 2:00 How evolution shaped our brain 3:20 Hunger 9:00 The disconnect between hunger and energy needs 15:12 The stressed-out brain of an obese mouse 18:54 Weight loss drugs targeting the brain 21:50 It's a thermostat… but not really 28:00 Stress and obesity 29:44 Debating journalist Gary Taubes on The Joe Rogan Experience 36:14 False balance on massive platforms 39:32 Rhetoric and the unstructured debate 44:42 Stephan's eating habits 47:54 Informative reviews of health and nutrition books 51:40 Rewards: food, sex and gold * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! Links: 1) Stephan's book, The Hungry Brain: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29243729-the-hungry-brain 2) Stephan's website: https://www.stephanguyenet.com/ 3) Stephan Guyenet on Twitter: https://twitter.com/whsource 4) Red Pen Reviews: https://www.redpenreviews.org/ 5) Stephan on the Joe Rogan Experience: https://youtu.be/vA3QavPp1Ho

Jan 12, 2020 • 1h 1min
057 - Salt and Abstaining from Alcohol
Salt: what is it and what does it do to the body? (with Star Wars references!) // Telling Australians to stop drinking // Q&A with our listeners // YouTube cracks down on pseudomedicine * Vox pop by David Lonstein * Jingle by Joseph Hackl * Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.com. * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra. To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/. Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called "Digressions"! Check it out! References: 1) Review of MSG: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736382 2) Sources of sodium: He FJ, MacGregor GA. Reducing population salt intake worldwide: from evidence to implementation. Prog Cardiovasc Dis 2010; 52:363. 3) DASH diet study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11136953 4) TOHP study: https://www.bmj.com/content/334/7599/885.long 5) John Ioannidis' editorial: https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/45/1/264/2364034 6) Prison study editorial: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.118.11103 7) Alcohol Abstinence in Drinkers with Atrial Fibrillation: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1817591


