

Husband Material
Drew Boa
So you want to outgrow porn. But how? How do you change your brain, heal your heart, and save your relationship? Welcome to Husband Material with Drew Boa, where we answer all these questions and more! Each episode makes it easier for you to achieve lasting freedom from porn—without fighting an exhausting battle. Porn is a pacifier. This podcast will help you outgrow it and become a sexually mature man of God.
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Jan 19, 2026 • 38min
In The Low: Navigating Depression (with Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson)
If you're in a season of depression, darkness, or difficulty, please listen to this episode. Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson offer deep wisdom on how to welcome all that is within you (yes, even that). This interview is punctuated by powerful poems and prayers for whatever "low" you might be going through.Justin McRoberts is the author of 8 books, including In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark Seasons. He lives in Martinez, CA and talks with his mom every day. Connect with Justin at justinmcroberts.com or on Instagram @justinmcroberts.Scott Erickson is an artist, author, and performance speaker creating a visual vocabulary for the spiritual journey. Connect with Scott at scottericksonart.com or on Instagram @scottthepainter.Buy Justin and Scott's new book:In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark SeasonsSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey... Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTube Step 2: Join the private Husband Material Community Step 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow Porn Step 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material Academy Thanks for listening!

Jan 14, 2026 • 28min
All About HMA Triads (with Rich Savoy)
Rich Savoy, the Director of Small Groups for Husband Material, shares his journey from bullying to emotional healing. He explains the unique structure of HMA Triads, emphasizing their role in replacing shame with compassion. Rich discusses the significance of emotional check-ins over tallying actions, and highlights the community-driven approach to processing deep-seated fantasies safely. The power of connection and inner-child work emerges as critical for personal growth in this enlightening conversation.

Jan 13, 2026 • 1h 20min
How God Designed Your Brain To Heal Itself
Mike Chapman, a participant in a live brainspotting demonstration and long-time member of the community, shares powerful insights on healing from trauma. He discusses how the brain's self-healing aligns with Christian faith. Listeners learn about the role of safety in brain healing and the transformative process of Brainspotting. Mike elaborates on his personal struggles with feelings of unworthiness and how he reconnects with his inner child, culminating in a profound experience of receiving God's love and reclaiming his self-worth.

Jan 5, 2026 • 38min
Experience Healing Through Brainspotting (with Dr. David Grand)
Dr. David Grand, the developer of Brainspotting, dives into the intricacies of his groundbreaking therapy designed for trauma healing. He explains how this unique method utilizes eye positions to access the nervous system and process deep-seated emotions. The conversation covers the intersection of trauma and addiction, particularly in men facing porn dependency. Grand also reveals the role of creativity in healing and discusses the importance of cultural wisdom in therapeutic practices. Listeners gain insight into how Brainspotting can empower personal recovery and regain confidence.

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Dec 29, 2025 • 1h 40min
K-Pop Demon Hunters: A Story Of Hiding And Healing
Drew and Andy delve into the themes of shame, vulnerability, and healing inspired by the film K-Pop Demon Hunters. They explore how characters navigate their struggles and the role of secrecy in shaping sexual shame. The discussion highlights the connection between personal growth and community support, emphasizing the power of vulnerability. With insights on performance pressure, generational trauma, and moments of collective healing, they reveal how embracing one's whole self can lead to redemption and transformation.

Dec 22, 2025 • 39min
When A Leader Relapses (with Nate Larkin)
In this incredibly vulnerable episode, Nate Larkin tells the story of how he returned to lying, hiding, binge drinking, and destructive sexual behavior while leading a sexual recovery organization. You'll also hear Nate's wisdom on how to be vulnerable as a leader and the importance of telling the truth.Nate Larkin is the founder of the Samson Society, a fellowship of Christian men who are serious about authenticity, community, humility, and recovery. Learn more at samsonsociety.comBuy Nate's book: Samson and the Pirate Monks: Calling Men To Authentic BrotherhoodSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey... Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTube Step 2: Join the private Husband Material Community Step 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow Porn Step 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material Academy Thanks for listening!

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Dec 15, 2025 • 55min
Revealing The Future Of Husband Material Ministries
The vision for transforming young men and couples takes center stage, focusing on healing childhood wounds to foster maturity. Exciting developments include a new educational platform and a commitment to preventing relationship issues before marriage. A revolutionary SHARE assessment aims to promote honesty about sexual history and trauma. The initiative also targets teens, offering early recovery resources to guide them in healing. Community support and donor contributions are essential for expanding these impactful programs.

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Dec 8, 2025 • 36min
How Technology Can Help You Connect And Heal (with Chandler Rogers)
Chandler Rogers, CEO and co-founder of Relay, shares his inspiring journey from personal struggle with addiction to leading a community-based recovery program. He discusses how digital groups foster connection and provide daily support, emphasizing that technology can be a tool for healing rather than a hindrance. Chandler critiques traditional shame-based accountability, advocating for a more compassionate approach to recovery. He underscores the importance of vulnerability, community, and the profound bonds formed in recovery as essential for lasting freedom.

Dec 1, 2025 • 38min
Arousal, Addiction, And Intimacy (with Chris Chandler and Andrew Engstrom)
What exactly is arousal? Is it more than just sexual? In this episode, you'll learn the four types of arousal (uppers, downers, all-arounders, and deprivation) and how we use addiction to avoid intimacy ("into messy"). Along the way, you'll also find out why recovery is not a "don't touch your penis" program and how the skill of "tension holding" can transform your relationships. Great conversation!Chris Chandler (LMHC, LPCC, EMDR, CSAT-S) is a licensed therapist, coach, and Clinical Advisor at Relay Health. He is also the founder of Christian Recovery Groups LLC, a national program helping men and women heal from compulsive and addictive behaviors through faith, community, and neuroscience-informed recovery practices. Over the past 20 years, Chris has led thousands through individual and group recovery experiences. His mission is simple: to restore people to wholeness by integrating clinical insight with authentic, Spirit-filled community because true recovery happens in relationship.Schedule a 30-minute consultation with Chris here.Andrew Engstrom is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with Seattle Christian Counseling, where he helps individuals and couples heal by understanding themselves better first. Andrew is certified in MDFT (a holistic approach to counseling treatment) and uses PREPARE/ENRICH in pre-marital and marital counseling. He offers support and insight for overcoming obstacles that stand in the way of forming lasting, fulfilling relationships with others and God.Learn more and connect with Andrew here.See a preview of Chris and Andrew's intensives here.Support the showTake the Husband Material Journey... Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTube Step 2: Join the private Husband Material Community Step 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow Porn Step 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material Academy Thanks for listening!

Dec 1, 2025 • 15min
The Villain, The Victim, and The Hero
How do you see yourself? Do you ever feel like a villain, like everything is your fault? Do you ever feel like a victim, overwhelmed and powerless to change your life? Do you ever feel like a hero, as if you have to succeed because the whole world is depending on you? Today, we’re talking about how to see yourself accurately and understand yourself better through three lenses: your villain story, your victim story, and your hero story. These categories are inspired by “The Karpman Drama Triangle” by Dr. Stephen B. Karpman. The original drama triangle describes common patterns in dysfunctional relationships. I’ve adapted it for the context of story work for men outgrowing porn.Support the showTake the Husband Material Journey... Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTube Step 2: Join the private Husband Material Community Step 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow Porn Step 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material Academy Thanks for listening!


