
Outthinkers
The Outthinkers podcast is a growth strategy podcast hosted by Kaihan Krippendorff. Each week, Kaihan talks with forward-looking strategists and innovators that are challenging the status quo, leading the future of business, and shaping our world.Chief strategy officers and executives can learn more and join the Outthinker community at https://outthinkernetwork.com/.
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Jun 28, 2024 • 36min
#120—Matt Beane: Mastering the Learning Gap: Skill Building in an AI-Augmented World
Matt Beane, Assistant Professor at UC Santa Barbara, discusses 'the skill code' for skill transfer. He highlights the importance of addressing the gap hindering younger workers from learning. The podcast delves into the science and psychology behind human learning, emphasizing the need to bridge the apprentice-master gap.

Jun 12, 2024 • 30min
#119—Christopher Marquis: Re-examining Business Externalities for Social Good
Christopher Marquis, the Sinyi Professor at the University of Cambridge Judge School of Business. Chris writes a regular column for Forbes and his work has appeared in the Boston Globe, Washington Post, Fortune, TIME, Foreign Policy, and Harvard Business Review. He is also author of Better Business: How the B Corp is Remaking Capitalism and Mao and Markets, which made the Financial Times “Best Book of 2022,” list. Christopher takes on topics that are, or should be, important for companies and society. In this episode, we dive into concepts from his newest book, The Profiteers: How Business Privatizes Profits and Socializes Costs_______________________________________________________________________________In this episode, Christopher shares: The underlying premise that drove him to write his new book—the fact that companies often pass on the hidden negative costs of their business onto society and the environment, while keeping the benefits and profits for themselves Why this is changing now, thanks to broad systemic changes underway with investors, consumers, employees, and governments Evidence that a group of pioneers taking actions to minimize their negative impacts and turning that into a competitive advantage Upcoming policy changes that business strategists should keep top of mind, that will impact all businesses—and how jumping on this curve serves to potentially reward those who do _______________________________________________________________________________Episode Timeline:00:00—Highlight from today's episode1:19—Introducing Chris + the topic of today’s episode 3:05—Chis shares what lead him to the subject of his latest book5:46—The cost of externalities11:21—EU's CSRD policy, a seismic shift in corporate sustainability reporting 15:33—Regional competition and policy differences 19:51—Regenerative business models26:48—Starting points for corporate strategists 28:53— How can people follow you and continue learning from you?_______________________________________________________________________________________Additional Resources:Personal site: https://chrismarquis.com/Link to book: The Profiteers How Business Privatizes Profits and Socializes CostLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-marquis-3884834/Twitter: https://x.com/Chris_Marquis_Thank you to our guest. Thank you to our executive producer, Karina Reyes, our editor, Zach Ness, and the rest of the team. If you like what you heard, please follow, download, and subscribe. I'm your host, Kaihan Krippendorff. Thank you for listening.Follow us at outthinkernetworks.com/podcast

May 31, 2024 • 26min
#118—Bruce Vojak: Decoding the Minds of Serial Innovators
Bruce Vojak, author of 'No-Excuses Innovation,' decodes the minds of serial innovators in this episode. He discusses the definition of innovation, the key characteristics of innovators, and how successful innovators view organization politics. The conversation also explores the different mindsets of executives and serial innovators towards handling politics and the value of 'no excuses innovation' in company survival and growth.

May 17, 2024 • 27min
#117—Min Jung: A Neuroscientist's Insights into Unleashing Creativity
Neuroscientist Min Jung discusses brain networks for creativity, the '3 B's' of innovation, and how organizations can foster creative environments. He explores the role of 'place cells' in shaping our thinking and enabling organizational transformation.

May 1, 2024 • 27min
#116— Cathy Hackl: Expanding Our Actual and Virtual Reality with Spatial Computing
Cathy Hackl is a globally-recognized tech & gaming exec, futurist, & speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, & gaming platforms strategy. She’s the co-CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company. She is also a top tech voice on LinkedIn, and a fun fact, she was the first person ever to open the NASDAQ market in the metaverse with an avatar. Cathy is a powerful voice on spatial computing and immersive technology, guiding businesses on integrating these into their product portfolios and business models, having worked with companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, & Louis Vuitton. In this conversation, we dive deep into these topics, narrowing in on key insights from her upcoming May 2024 book, SPATIAL COMPUTING: An AI-Driven Business Revolution. In this episode, Cathy shares with us: The definition of spatial computing, and how it’s not just a new emerging technology, but rather an expansion of computing as we have known it Spatial computing’s interrelation with the metaverse, and the increasingly blurring boundaries between what we knew of as the “virtual world,” and our physical reality How AI is not just an addition to computing, but a convergence that is opening up new possibilities What areas of their business model leaders need to be thinking of to stay ahead of the curve in light of this new field of technologically that will quickly become the norm _______________________________________________________________________________Episode Timeline:00:00—Highlight from today's episode1:07—Introducing Cathy + the topic of today’s episode3:58—If you really know me, you know that...4:21—What's your definition of strategy?5:30—Cathy's virtual Nasdaq experience6:40— Clarifying what spatial computing encompasses 10:37—What people often get wrong when envisioning the spatial web 14:29—How people who grow up with digital experiences think about virtual vs. real world 16:58—How does supply and demand work with digital goods? 19:42—The opportunity and market size for digital products and goods 21:41—The role and interrelation of AI within the metaverse and spatial computing 24:09—Overlooked business model opportunities for business leaders 26:05—How can people follow you and continue learning from you?__________________________________________________________________________________________Additional Resources:Personal site: https://www.cathyhackl.com/Book site: Spatial Computing: An AI-Driven Business RevolutionLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cathyhackl/Twitter: https://twitter.com/CathyHacklThank you to our guest. Thank you to our executive producer, Karina Reyes, our editor, Zach Ness, and the rest of the team. If you like what you heard, please follow, download, and subscribe. I'm your host, Kaihan Krippendorff. Thank you for listening.Follow us at outthinkernetworks.com/podcast

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Apr 19, 2024 • 31min
#115—Amy Edmonson: Cultivating Psychological Safety to Foster Risk-Taking and Innovation
Amy C. Edmondson, a Harvard Business School professor, delves into creating psychological safety for risk-taking and innovation. She discusses the importance of allowing space for experimentation and failure, distinguishing between different types of failure. Learn how to assess risks and avoid hindering your team's pursuit of new ideas by asking specific questions.

Apr 5, 2024 • 32min
#114—John Winsor: Unveiling the Potential of Open Talent
John Winsor is a prominent figure in strategic marketing and product innovation, known for his deep understanding of future work trends and open talent strategies. Hisexpertise in collaboration, co-creation, and open innovation has made him a keyinfluencer in innovation, disruption, and storytelling. He founded and chairs OpenAssembly, an organization pioneering the adoption of open talent and freelancing.At Harvard Business School's Laboratory for Innovation Science (LISH), as anexecutive-in-residence, Winsor significantly promotes innovation. He co-authored thenational best-selling book Open Talent: Leveraging a Global Workforce to Solve YourBiggest Challenges with Laboratory for Innovation Sciences at Harvard co-founders Jin Paik, published by Harvard Business Press in January 2024. Additionally, Winsor leads the Open Assembly Community, a global network of 4000 members focused ontransforming workplaces worldwide.In this conversation, we dive deep into concepts from Open Talent: Leveraging a Global Workforce to Solve Your Biggest Challenges, John’s most recent co-authored and national best-selling book with Jin Paik, published by Harvard Business Press in January 2024. We discuss the intricate layers of the modern workforce, including:The rapid shift of the workforce culture, with the rise of micro-entrepreneurs and freelancers at the core, transforming industries The democratization of talent through digital platforms that provides companies a more varied, diverse workforce while providing individuals more opportunities for work A growing shift away from traditional roles and jobs, towards a focus on tasks and skills to achieve desired outcomes, with an emphasis on speed and momentum given today’s fast-paced momentum How to break through the mental and organizational barriers that impede them from embracing new workforce paradigms to fully take advantage of the modern workforce reality ___________________________________________________________________________________Episode Timeline:00:00—Highlight from today's episode1:04—Introducing John Winsor + the topic of today’s episode3:18—If you really know me, you know that...4:24—What's your definition of strategy?6:56—Using strategy to move things in your favor?11:35—How Open Talent differs from gig work15:44—Is the talent power shift permanent?18:24— How is technology transforming talent acquisition?21:52—Overcoming mental barriers to embrace Open Talent26:14—The economic benefits of variable workforce costs28:01—Why innovation is vital for survival30:08—How can people follow you and continue learning from you?__________________________________________________________________________________________Additional Resources:Personal site: https://johnwinsor.comBook site: Open Talent: Leveraging a Global Workforce to Solve YourBiggest ChallengesLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johntwinsor/Twitter: https://twitter.com/jtwinsorThank you to our guest. Thank you to our executive producer, Karina Reyes, our editor, Zach Ness, and the rest of the team. If you like what you heard, please follow, download, and subscribe. I'm your host, Kaihan Krippendorff. Thank you for listening.Follow us at outthinkernetworks.com/podcast

Mar 22, 2024 • 31min
#113—Jeanne Liedtka: Design Thinking: Unleashing Creativity in Business
Jeanne Liedtka, a business professor, discusses the importance of design thinking in unleashing creativity in business. She shares insights on strategic experimentation versus strategic design, the concept of design thinking, and how it complements strategic thinking. The conversation explores balancing risk aversion and innovation in organizations like UTC and the significance of data-driven experimentation methodologies for scalability.

Mar 8, 2024 • 34min
#112—W. Russell Neuman: AI's Role in Evolutionary Intelligence
Exploring the evolution of human intelligence alongside communication technologies, the potential for human intelligence to merge with machine intelligence for future advancements, the intersection of human and machine intelligence, the evolution of language, settlements, and technology over the past 400,000 years, the progression of human-machine communication, and the future of foundational AI models and algorithms.

Feb 23, 2024 • 25min
#111—Tobias Dengel: Voice Technology: Unlocking Efficiency and Evolution
Tobias Dengel is President of WillowTree, a TELUS International Company. WillowTree designs and builds digital experiences for the world’s largest brands, and they sit at the forefront of this breakthrough. Tobias understands voice technology's profound, wide-ranging implications for every industry, including marketing, healthcare, hospitality, manufacturing, media, and more. He counsels leaders in all these fields about how their companies must adapt to the coming age of voice. He is the recent author, with co-author Karl Weber, of THE SOUND OF THE FUTURE : The Coming Age of Voice Technology, a dive deep into the sweeping changes we can expect as voice technology gains traction. Tobias’ insights will really open up your imagination around the future of human-machine communication, particularly around how voice technology, accelerated by recent developments in AI, have the potential to radically alter the way we live and how companies do business.In this podcast, he shares:How voice technology offers a significant advantage in communication efficiency, and will drastically improve productivity across our lives and many sectors Why this efficiency applies more to humans communicating to machines and not the other way around How our interactions with machines will transition from being uni-modal to multi-modal with machines reacting in real-time to our requests in multiple formats. What individuals can expect will change with everyday tasks and jobs, and for business leaders—where to anticipate opportunities for adoption of voice technology in their company. How this next technological revolution will mirror the smartphone one in many ways—and how it’ll differ __________________________________________________________________________________________Episode Timeline:00:00—Highlight from today's episode1:19—Introducing Tobias + the topic of today’s episode3:09—If you really know me, you know that...4:19—What's your definition of strategy?5:21—Why is voice an advantage over other forms of communication?9:25—What has changed about voice recognition software over time, and how does that lead us to today with Gen AI?13:14—Could you talk to us about the various modes of communication, particularly humans vs. technology?15:47—Who do you think will winning or losing across industries as voice tech takes over?15:18—What are the first steps someone should take in pursuing new ideas?18:04—Where should people start to identify where a business might implement voice technology?27:55—How can people follow you and continue learning from you?__________________________________________________________________________________________Additional Resources:Personal site: https://www.tobiasdengel.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobiasdengelTwitter: twitter.com/tobiasdengelAll content © 2024 Outthinkers.Thank you to our guests, thank you to our executive producer, Karina Reyes, our editor, Zach Ness, and the rest of the team. If you like what you heard, please follow, download, and subscribe. I'm your host, Kaihan Krippendorff. Thank you for listening.Thank you to our guest. Thank you to our executive producer, Karina Reyes, our editor, Zach Ness, and the rest of the team. If you like what you heard, please follow, download, and subscribe. I'm your host, Kaihan Krippendorff. Thank you for listening.Follow us at outthinkernetworks.com/podcast
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