
Sounds of SAND
Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being
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Apr 4, 2024 • 49min
#79 Restoring Wholeness: Richard Schwartz
A recording of excerpts from a SAND Community Gathering hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
Trauma has a way of separating us from parts of ourselves. Painful experiences cause protective parts to take over, isolating our inner wounds in an effort to help us survive. Yet, avoiding our emotional injuries rarely leads to true healing.
In this conversation, Internal Family System (IFS) founder Richard Schwartz outlined how to transform our relationship with the wounded parts holding our unresolved injuries.
Richard C. Schwartz, PhD, is the creator of Internal Family Systems, a highly effective, evidence-based therapeutic model that de-pathologizes the multi-part personality. His IFS Institute offers training for professionals and the general public. He is currently on the faculty of Harvard Medical School, and has published five books, including No Bad Parts: Healing Trauma and Restoring Wholeness with the Internal Family Systems Model. Dick lives with his wife Jeanne near Chicago, close to his three daughters and his growing number of grandchildren.
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
02:00 – Intro to Internal Family System (IFS)
16:48 – IFS work with Maurizio
29:16 – Ancestor and Legacy Work
38:12 – Altered States of Consciousness in IFS Work
44:20 – Exiled Parts That Become Cultural Patterns
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Mar 28, 2024 • 1h 25min
#78 The Crisis in Gaza: Gabor & Daniel Maté
Daniel Maté, a composer and co-author of 'The Myth of Normal,' joins his father, Dr. Gabor Maté, a trauma expert, along with breathing specialist Betsy Polatin. They discuss the emotional turmoil caused by the crisis in Gaza, emphasizing the importance of compassionate communication across differing beliefs. Listeners are guided through meditative practices to ground their emotions during these heavy conversations. The duo reflects on personal experiences and stresses the need for understanding history and emotional complexity in order to foster meaningful dialogue and connection.

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Mar 21, 2024 • 1h 10min
#77 Regenerative Medicine: Mauro Zappaterra
Mauro Zappaterra, MD/PhD from Harvard, discusses alternative healing, sound therapy, and CSF guided meditation. Explores holistic medicine, chronic pain, and the merging of science, spirituality, and regenerative medicine. Shares insights on balancing nervous systems for health and the power of integrating therapies for healing.

Mar 14, 2024 • 1h 32min
#76 Land, Lineage & Resisting Genocide
"This is a spiritual test, this is a spiritual war, as much as it is a material one. People say, ‘As above, so below.’ How we are interfacing with the physical realities of this moment, the ways that we are leveraging our daily energy are either making us complicit with life's desecration or helping us to affirm life and the spirit of resistance. The battle that we are in is right now!"— Layla K. Feghali on the violence in Gaza, Sounds of SAND, Ep. #76We are now over four months into a worsening genocide in Gaza — with over 30,000 murdered and over 2 million now enduring military-enforced famine enacted by Israel, the US, and their global allies. There is no way a 90-minute teaching can impact the depth of sorrow, injustice, betrayal, and state-sponsored violence unfolding in Palestine. And yet, we share a moral obligation to resist the life-desecrating forces at work.
In this gathering, our three guests share of their personal attempts as Earth-honoring ritualists and educators to embody core values and take tangible action in a time of genocide.
Calls to Action to Support these GoFundMe Campaigns:
SAND’s GoFundMe to help Amina & her family
Layla Feghali’s connection to Ahmed Al Munirawi’s campaign
Layla Feghali’s connection to Reem Shaheen’s campaign
Guests:Daniel Foor is a doctor of psychology, experienced ritualist, and the author of Ancestral Medicine: Rituals for Personal and Family Healing. He is a practicing Muslim and initiate in the Òrìṣà tradition of Yoruba-speaking West Africa who has also learned from Mahayan Buddhism and the older ways of his English and German ancestors. Daniel was a U.S. Fulbright scholar in Cairo, Egypt as a student of Arabic language, and he is passionate about generational healing and training leaders and change makers in the intersections of cultural healing, animist ethics, and applied ritual arts. He lives with his wife and daughters near his adoptive home of Granada, Spain in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
Taya Mâ Shere is a ritual artist embracing embodied, earth-honoring devotion as liberatory spiritual practice. She serves as a professor of Organic Multi-Religious Ritual at Starr King School for the Ministry and co-weaves Makam Shekhina, a Jewish and Sufi Muslim multi-religious community committed to counter-oppressive spiritual practice. Taya Mâ hosts the acclaimed podcast, Jewish Ancestral Healing and The Sarah & Hajar Series: Sacred Practice and Possibility at the Intersections of Judaism and Islam. She is currently tending Ceasefire movement chaplaincy and From the Deep, an emergent mystery school of earth-reverent ritual and counter-oppressive devotion. She co-founded the Kohenet movement and is co-author of The Hebrew Priestess: Ancient and New Visions of Jewish Women’s Spiritual Leadership. Her five albums of sacred chant have been heralded as “cutting-edge mystic medicine music.”Layla K. Feghali is an ethnobotanist, cultural worker, and author who lives between her ancestral village in Lebanon and her diasporic home in California, where she was born and raised. Her dedication is the stewardship of our earth’s eco-cultural integrity and the many layers of relational restoration, systemic reckoning, and healing that entails. Feghali offers a line of plantcestral medicine and other culturally-rooted offerings, with an emphasis on Southwest Asia and its diasporas. Her recent book, The Land in Our Bones, documents cultural herbal and healing knowledge from Syria to the Sinai, while interrogating colonialism and its lingering wounds on the culture of our displaced world.
Topics:
00:00:00 — Introduction
00:05:43 — Daniel Foor
00:21:44 — Taya Mâ Shere
00:35:44 — Layla K. Feghali
01:00:28 — Guided Practice
01:10:22 — Questions from the Event Chat
01:20:29 — Yeye Luisha Teish
01:23:48 — Closing Statements
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Feb 29, 2024 • 1h 20min
#75 Love-With-Justice: Omid Safi
This SAND Community Gathering was recorded live on February 10, 2024 with Omid Safi and SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurzio Benazzo.
For the full video version of this conversation, please visit: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/love-with-justice/
Omid Safi is a scholar of the Islamic mystical tradition of Radical Love and serves as a professor of Islamic studies at Duke University. Ten times nominated for professor of the year awards, Omid has published extensively on the foundational sources of Islam and Sufism. He has authored Memories of Muhammad and Radical Love: Teachings from the Islamic Mystical Tradition. He has offered the annual Martin Luther King lecture and appeared as an expert on Islam in the New York Times, Newsweek, Washington Post, Al-Jazeera, PBS, NPR, NBC, BBC and CNN.
Omid teaches online courses on Muslim mysticism and has his own podcast Sufi Heart. He also offers spiritually oriented contemplative journeys and retreats for the general public. Information about the books, podcast, courses, and tours can be found at illuminatedcourses.com.
SAND’s Helpful Resources on Israel/Palestine
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Topics:00:00:00 – Introduction00:03:37 – Sufi Prayer and Omid’s Bio00:06:44 – Setting a Context for the Discussion00:22:32 – ”Whataboutism”00:34:56 – Teachings from the Heart00:46:38 – Balancing Love, Fear, and Righteous00:59:19 – Responses from Spiritual Teachers on Gaza01:10:36 – Remembering Mother Earth01:14:42 – Letting Go of “You and I” / Nonduality01:16:58 – Celebrating Life

Feb 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
#74 Engaged and Aspirational Bodhicitta: Lama Tsomo
Lama Tsomo is a spiritual teacher, author, and co-founder of Namchak Foundation and Namchak Retreat Ranch, which preserves and shares Tibetan Buddhist practice in accessible, contemporary ways. Under the tutelage of Tulku Sangak Rinpoche, international holder of the Namchak lineage, Lama Tsomo has done extensive spiritual retreats in the U.S. and abroad and is fluent in Tibetan. Today, she is dedicated to sharing the teachings of the Namchak lineage with Western students, bringing greater happiness and meaning to life through meditation practice, community, and retreat. She is passionate about reaching young people and supporting those working for positive social change.
Lama Tsomo holds an M.A. in Counseling Psychology and is the author of Ancient Wisdom for Our Times: Tibetan Buddhist Practice Series and coauthor of The Lotus & the Rose: A Conversation Between Tibetan Buddhism & Mystical Christianity and the Taking a Breath meditation journal.
Links:
Namchak Website
Saving Each Other Together Project
Four Immeasurables Retreat
Namchak’s Instagram
Deepening Our Feeling for “Us”: Lama Tsomo from SAND19
Music from Today's episode:
Chenrezig Sadhana – Tibetan Vajrayana Mantra Meditation
Now I Walk In Beauty Libana- Fire Within
Now I Walk in Beauty (sheet music)
Topics:
0:00 – Introduction
2:58 – Lama Intro Story and Path to Buddhism
8:13 – Major Schools of Buddhism in the U.S.
10:35 – Balancing Mindfulness & Compassion
16:45 – The Predictions of Guru Rinpoche
24:45 – The Importance of Mantra
25:53 – The One Ocean
32:13 – Sharing in Sangha in Mantra
37:49 – Chenrezig / Avalokiteśvara chanting practice
50:53 – Working Skillfully With Equanimity
54:19 – The Importance of Sangha
58:57 – Aspirational and Engaged Boddhicitta

Feb 15, 2024 • 1h 1min
#73 Bloodlines: Sulaiman Khatib, meital yaniv & Rae Abileah
From a SAND Community Gathering in January 2024.
You can watch the full video of this Community Gathering here: scienceandnonduality.com/event/bloodlines/
As many of us grapple with feelings of disillusionment, outrage, impotence and grief at the horrendous tragedy unfolding in Gaza, we gathered as a SAND community for an intimate conversation with meital yaniv, an ex-israeli soldier / ex-zionist fighter and Sulaiman Khatib, Palestinian co-founder of Combatants for Peace.
With meital and Souli reflecting on their personal journeys of loss and transformation, we uncovered ancestral legacies of trauma and coping, belonging and indoctrination, individual and collective grief, awakening, and resilience. Their dialog was facilitated by Rae Abileah, a Jewish faith leader, social change strategist, and writer. Through sharing our stories, and engaging in open and compassionate conversation, may we find collective healing.
Sulaiman Khatib is the Co-Founder of Combatants for Peace. Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, he has been recognized internationally for his contributions to promoting peace, social justice and equality for all. In 2006, he co-founded Al-Qud’s Association for Democracy and Dialogue, a program which works with youth in order to create effective and sustainable projects focusing on the promotion of peace, democracy and civic participation in the Palestinian Territories. For the last twenty years, he has been a committed advocate for peace in the Middle East and an active member of various programs aiming to promote a peaceful solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. He is the author of In this Place Together.
meital yaniv was born into a sephardic and ashkenazi lineage of in/famous war heroes and pillars for the state of israel, meital is the author of bloodlines, an epic and intimate dive into the israeli apartheid regime from the perspective of an ex-israeli/ex-zionist soldier. In the book, meital yaniv traces their paternal family narrative from surviving the Holocaust of the second world war to migrating to Palestine and their subsequent indoctrination as zionist colonizers and defenders of the state of israel. yaniv directs our attention to the cycles of history and how genocide not only repeats but grows monstrously in the crevices of state belonging. They see themselves as “a death laborer tending to a prayer for the liberation of the land of Palestine and the lands of our bodies.”
Rae Abileah (she/her) is a Jewish faith leader, social change strategist, writer, and facilitator. For the past two decades, she has worked with nonprofits and social movements, from volunteer to executive director.
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
00:24 – Introduction with Gazan Musician, Haneen Sabbah singing Reem Banna (The Absence one)
04:16 – Introduction from Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo
06:52 – Rae Abileah Introduction
12:12 – Sulaiman Khatib
17:32 – Sulaiman’s Time in Jail
33:18 – meital yaniv’s Story
48:16 – Healing the Land Through Ancestors
SAND's Helpful Resources on Israel/Palestine
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Feb 6, 2024 • 1h 15min
#72 Ancestral Song: Vuyi Qubeka
Vuyi Qubeka is a seer, artist, multidimensional storyteller, & a transformative healing practitioner whose work is anchored by the wisdoms of indigenous knowledge systems and unconditional love.
Vuyi considers herself a SoulSongSage and creates a container for individuals to remember the song of their soul through identifying the blockages keeping them from expressing their true nature by re-patterning childhood conditioning and trauma. Vuyi weaves together sound, ceremony, movement, visual art, and prose to conjure memory, activate healing and inspire truth seekers, creatives & pioneering leaders from all walks of life. Her work explores both feminine wisdom & the Mother Mind while confronting individual, familial & collective traumas, with a focus on sexual trauma, for our shared restoration.
Vuyi offers one-on-one soul healing sessions, storytelling & speaking immersions, rites of passage ceremonies, retreat facilitation, workshops and explorative collaborations. Vuyi's long term intention is to create a rehabilitation oasis for child trafficking survivors, a home within nature where small people can restore their innocence, joy, dignity and reclaim their essence.
Website: www.vuyiqubeka.com
Instagram: www.instagram.com/vuyiqubeka/
Email: vuyiqubeka@gmail.com
Topics:
00:00:00 – Introduction00:11:54 – Shamanism00:17:39 – Ancestors00:20:52 – Healing with Sound00:22:11 – Connection with Nature00:24:46 – The Authentic Self00:30:14 – South Africa and Gaza00:34:14 – Vuyi’s Message to Gaza00:39:39 – ”Don’t Die with Your Music Still Inside You”00:42:21 – TED Talk Excerpt00:50:44 – We Are the Song00:53:42 – ”Ancient Dreams” (AxisZulu Natural Mix) by Vuyi Qubeka01:01:16 – Coming Up for Vuyi01:13:12 – ”Moon Chant” by Vuyi Qubeka
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Feb 1, 2024 • 1h 24min
#71 Beyond Algorithms: Edward Frenkel
Join mathematician Edward Frenkel as he explores the fallacy of computationalism and determinism. Discussing the nature of reality, consciousness, and the limits of knowledge, Frenkel challenges the misconceptions of 19th-century science and advocates for updating our worldview with 21st-century paradigms. Dive into the fascination with mathematics, the illusion of free will, and the relationship between AI and human consciousness. This mind-expanding dialogue delves into quantum theory, linear time, and the celebration of AI's usefulness while embracing its challenges.

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Jan 25, 2024 • 57min
#70 Jungian Black Holes: Timothy Owen Desmond
Without form, without figure, without resemblance am I;
Vitality of all senses, in everything I am;
Neither attached, nor released am I;
I am Consciousness, I am Bliss, I am Shiva, I am Shiva.
—Adi Shankara, Nirvana Shatakam, Hymns 3–6
Timothy Owen Desmond, aka Tod, is a philosopher and author. He majored in Philosophy and Political Science at Boston College University. Dedicated to a life of study, his unconventional path led to a Ph.D. in Philosophy and Religion from CIIS. Desmond explores the intersections of holographic string theory and Jungian psychology, detailed in his 2018 book, Psyche and Singularity. In 2023, he launched an online course, "Immortality and the Unreality of Death," integrating insights from Joseph Campbell and Ernest Becker.
Tod’s Course: Immortality and the Unreality of Death: A Hero’s Journey Through Philosophy, Psychology, and Physics
Takeaways:
The intersection of Jungian psychology, physics, and string theory offers a comprehensive understanding of the nature of reality.
Near-death experiences and mystical experiences provide insights into the ultimate nature of existence.
Plato's cave allegory and archetypes reveal the shadowy nature of the material world and the existence of higher forms.
String theory and the holographic principle suggest that the universe is an inside-out black hole, and information is recorded on a two-dimensional surface.
The concept of psyche as a singularity implies that each individual is a point of infinite density and contains the entire universe within.
Exploring these ideas can lead to a deeper understanding of reality and the nature of consciousness. Understanding the eternal nature of the soul can help address the fear of death.
Belief in God and performing heroically for God is important for the development of the human psyche.
The journey towards singularity involves a ladder of understanding that leads to a belief in the ultimate idea of the good.
Future explorations in physics, philosophy, and artificial intelligence can further deepen our understanding of the psyche and singularity.
Topics:
0:00 – Introduction
5:50 – Jung’s Near-Death Experience
16:08 – Nondual Experiences: Dissolving Separateness
20:20 – Jungian Archetypes
23:46 – Platonic Philosophies
28:04 – Why there are seashells in the mountains?
33:30 – String Theory & Black Holes
43:16 – Infinity, Emptiness & Form
50:38 – Exploring the “why” of all of this?
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