
Sounds of SAND
Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being
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May 2, 2024 • 58min
#83 Taoist Inner Alchemy: Mattias Daly
Taoist practitioner, Mattias Daly, discusses the core principles of Taoism, the path of Inner Alchemy, and the importance of heart practice. Topics include energies of Inner Alchemy, Chan Buddhism, and navigating the Polycrisis. Daly provides insights into translating Taoist texts and the intricate processes of Daoist alchemy.

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Apr 25, 2024 • 59min
#82 From Wounds to Wholeness: Peter A. Levine
Resilience expert and trauma therapist Peter A. Levine shares his personal journey of resolving childhood trauma, touching on topics such as writing about trauma, uncovering layers of trauma, intimate relationships, encounters with past life trauma, ancestral healing, and connections to ancient healing practices. The podcast explores the power of storytelling, Indigenous healing, and the importance of communal healing and unity.

Apr 18, 2024 • 1h 6min
#81 Ecology of Care: DRĖĖĖMY
Reem (DRĖĖĖMY) Abdou is a native Egyptian international interdisciplinary sound artist, embodiment and meditation guide, curator, cultural worker, and community building founder of the inclusive global impact agency for women+ & BIPOC holistic artists: The Collective BAE. As an intentional DJ and spoken word poet, her work harnesses music, movement, and meditation to activate real shifts at the intersection of transformational creativity, social and healing justice, and ecosystem consciousness.
Links:
www.dreeemy.com
instagram.com/dreeemy
www.collectivebae.com
Upcoming projects:
Join The BAE (RE)MEMBERSHIPS: An Ecology of Care for Conscious Creatives. We'll be launching a full training course this May.
The release of the 2nd EP: SALTWATERS in the Mother & Water project. It will be released this May.
Topics:
00:00 — Introduction
03:00 — Ancestry & Dream work
06:45 — Communities
11:19 — Bass Yoga
17:19 — Gradients & Binaries
23:17 — Ecologies of Care
32:33 — Sacred Activism
36:51 — Post-COVID Shift
45:31 — Egyptian Lineage
53:44 — Upcoming Projects
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Apr 11, 2024 • 60min
#80 Awaking Hope: Rev. Deborah L. Johnson
Rev Deborah L Johnson (Rev D) is a dynamic organizer, strategist, facilitator, public speaker, andspoken word artist, known for her ability to bring clarity to complex and emotionally chargedissues with humor and compassion. As an organizational consultant specializing in culturaldiversity, she serves the public, private, non-profit, and military sectors. Her clients haveincluded, MCA Universal, ATT, Apple Inc, Hewlett Packard, Kaiser Permanente, US Coast GuardAcademy, Ford Foundation, SBC Communications, UCSF, Prudential, and Kodak. Rev Deborah isa successful co-litigant in two landmark civil rights cases in California. The first resulted in theinclusion of sexual orientation in the state’s Civil Rights Bill in 1984 setting a national precedent,while the second staved off repeal of the state’s Domestic Partnership in 2005. For her social justice work, she has been featured in numerous books and films including Showtime’s Jumpin’ The Broom and has received many lifetime achievement awards including induction into the Board of Preachers at the MLK Jr. Chapel of Morehouse College.
RevD's Upcoming Courses:
Yes to OnenessThe 6-session “YES to Oneness” workshop is preventative medicine for divisiveness. Guided by divine downloads from my books The Sacred YES and Your Deepest Intent, we’ll go on a spiritually transformative experience.
How to DepolarizeThe 3-session “How to Depolarize” workshop provides diagnostic techniques and treatment plans for divisiveness. It is an interactive skills building practicum based on my 40+ years as a movement organizer, corporate DEI consultant, spiritual leader, and successful co-litigant in two landmark civil rights cases. This workshop expands upon the concepts I recently presented at Harvard Divinity School.
Topics:
0:00 — Introduction
2:51 — Reconnecting Post-Pandemic
4:29 — Keeping Hope Alive
7:41 — On Nonduality
12:27 — Balancing Social Justice
19:59 — Everything is in Vibrations of Possibilities
25:58 — Interfaith / Omnifaith Exploration
33:14 — Reconnecting to our Natural State
40:06 — Knowing Truth
45:10 — Advice for Burnout and Connection
50:42 — Learning and Growing in Community
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Apr 4, 2024 • 49min
#79 Restoring Wholeness: Richard Schwartz
A recording of excerpts from a SAND Community Gathering hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
Trauma has a way of separating us from parts of ourselves. Painful experiences cause protective parts to take over, isolating our inner wounds in an effort to help us survive. Yet, avoiding our emotional injuries rarely leads to true healing.
In this conversation, Internal Family System (IFS) founder Richard Schwartz outlined how to transform our relationship with the wounded parts holding our unresolved injuries.
Richard C. Schwartz, PhD, is the creator of Internal Family Systems, a highly effective, evidence-based therapeutic model that de-pathologizes the multi-part personality. His IFS Institute offers training for professionals and the general public. He is currently on the faculty of Harvard Medical School, and has published five books, including No Bad Parts: Healing Trauma and Restoring Wholeness with the Internal Family Systems Model. Dick lives with his wife Jeanne near Chicago, close to his three daughters and his growing number of grandchildren.
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
02:00 – Intro to Internal Family System (IFS)
16:48 – IFS work with Maurizio
29:16 – Ancestor and Legacy Work
38:12 – Altered States of Consciousness in IFS Work
44:20 – Exiled Parts That Become Cultural Patterns
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Mar 28, 2024 • 1h 25min
#78 The Crisis in Gaza: Gabor & Daniel Maté
In this episode we bring you excerpts from an online SAND Community Gathering with Gabor and Daniel Maté hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo from February 2024. Also present in this episode is Betsy Polatin offering guided meditation and grounding exercises as everyone navigates these difficult conversations. Lastly SAND presenter Deran Young ends the episode with a question on Racialized Trauma.
You can watch the full video conversation here
No statement, no words can speak to the immense suffering, devastation and horrendous humanitarian crisis intensifying in the Middle East. The current tragedy awakens existential fear, acute grief and deep despair. It also creates a rift among friends and families. Many are in a state of deep shock and in need of support, and the obstacles to communicating with loved ones only intensify the anguish.
In this Q&A session, Dr. Gabor Maté and his son Daniel discussed ways to listen and communicate across different perspectives and narratives.
Gabor Maté, M.D. is a specialist on trauma, addiction, stress and childhood development. After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. Gabor is also the creator of a psychotherapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by thousands of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others in over 80 countries.
Daniel Maté is a composer, lyricist, and playwright for musical theatre based in BC and New York. He has been active since 2007, when he graduated from New York University’s Tisch School of the Arts with an M.F.A. in Musical Theatre Writing. He also holds a B.A. in Psychology and Philosophy from McGill.
Daniel received the prestigious Edward Kleban Prize for Most Promising Lyricist in American Musical Theatre, a Jonathan Larson Foundation Grant, and the ASCAP Foundation’s Cole Porter Award for Excellence in Music and Lyrics (for his song cycle The Longing and the Short of It.) He has presented his work at the historic Kennedy Center in Washington, DC and New York’s Lincoln Center, and was an invited participant in the inaugural Johnny Mercer Writers Colony.
Betsy Polatin, MFA, SEP, an internationally recognized breathing/movement specialist and best- selling author, has been teaching for 45 years. Her unique and intuitive perspectives are greatly influenced by the study of movement, breath, and trauma, as well as the teachings of spiritual and meditation masters. She speaks at conferences around the world.
As a well-known educator, she’s had numerous articles published in the Huffington Post, and is the author of The Actor’s Secret and Humanual.
Deran Young is a licensed therapist specializing in racial trauma and legacy burdens. She is also a Co-Author of the New York Times Best Seller, You Are Your Best Thing, a retired military officer, & founder of Black Therapists Rock. Black Therapists Rock is a non profit organization with a network of over 30,000 mental health professionals committed to reducing the psychological impact of systemic oppression and intergenerational trauma. She obtained her social work degree from University of Texas, where she studied abroad in Ghana, West Africa for two semesters creating a high school counseling center for under-resourced students. Deran has visited over 37 different countries and her clinical experience spans across four different continents. Her passion for culture and people has led her to become a highly sought after diversity and inclusion consultant working with companies like BBERG, Facebook, Linked In, and YWCA. She resides in the Washington DC area with her 10 year old son.
Topics:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:04:10 – Gabor Maté Introduction
00:09:56 – Daniel Maté Introduction
00:18:48 – Gabor’s Learning During this Violence since October 7
00:21:23 – Betsy Polatin Grounding Practice
00:24:31 – Gabor Responds to Comments in the Chat, speaking to ALL suffering
00:26:47 – Question: "What is the most effective way to break through Zionists Friends"
00:35:58 – Question: “How to Respond to Friends and Circles on Social Media”
00:38:34 – Question: “Responding to Israeli Sufferings from October 7”
00:51:12 – Betsy Calming Exercise
00:54:33 – Question: “Legacy of Dehumanization in this Conflict”
00:59:43 – Question: “Speaking Out in Jewish Communities”
01:04:52 – Question: “Addressing the War Machine(s)”
01:10:27 – The Misconceptions About Safety and Comfort in these Discussions
01:14:48 – Deran Young on Racialized Trauma
01:19:56 – Betsy Closing Meditation
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Mar 21, 2024 • 1h 10min
#77 Regenerative Medicine: Mauro Zappaterra
Mauro Zappaterra, MD/PhD from Harvard, discusses alternative healing, sound therapy, and CSF guided meditation. Explores holistic medicine, chronic pain, and the merging of science, spirituality, and regenerative medicine. Shares insights on balancing nervous systems for health and the power of integrating therapies for healing.

Mar 14, 2024 • 1h 32min
#76 Land, Lineage & Resisting Genocide
"This is a spiritual test, this is a spiritual war, as much as it is a material one. People say, ‘As above, so below.’ How we are interfacing with the physical realities of this moment, the ways that we are leveraging our daily energy are either making us complicit with life's desecration or helping us to affirm life and the spirit of resistance. The battle that we are in is right now!"— Layla K. Feghali on the violence in Gaza, Sounds of SAND, Ep. #76We are now over four months into a worsening genocide in Gaza — with over 30,000 murdered and over 2 million now enduring military-enforced famine enacted by Israel, the US, and their global allies. There is no way a 90-minute teaching can impact the depth of sorrow, injustice, betrayal, and state-sponsored violence unfolding in Palestine. And yet, we share a moral obligation to resist the life-desecrating forces at work.
In this gathering, our three guests share of their personal attempts as Earth-honoring ritualists and educators to embody core values and take tangible action in a time of genocide.
Calls to Action to Support these GoFundMe Campaigns:
SAND’s GoFundMe to help Amina & her family
Layla Feghali’s connection to Ahmed Al Munirawi’s campaign
Layla Feghali’s connection to Reem Shaheen’s campaign
Guests:Daniel Foor is a doctor of psychology, experienced ritualist, and the author of Ancestral Medicine: Rituals for Personal and Family Healing. He is a practicing Muslim and initiate in the Òrìṣà tradition of Yoruba-speaking West Africa who has also learned from Mahayan Buddhism and the older ways of his English and German ancestors. Daniel was a U.S. Fulbright scholar in Cairo, Egypt as a student of Arabic language, and he is passionate about generational healing and training leaders and change makers in the intersections of cultural healing, animist ethics, and applied ritual arts. He lives with his wife and daughters near his adoptive home of Granada, Spain in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
Taya Mâ Shere is a ritual artist embracing embodied, earth-honoring devotion as liberatory spiritual practice. She serves as a professor of Organic Multi-Religious Ritual at Starr King School for the Ministry and co-weaves Makam Shekhina, a Jewish and Sufi Muslim multi-religious community committed to counter-oppressive spiritual practice. Taya Mâ hosts the acclaimed podcast, Jewish Ancestral Healing and The Sarah & Hajar Series: Sacred Practice and Possibility at the Intersections of Judaism and Islam. She is currently tending Ceasefire movement chaplaincy and From the Deep, an emergent mystery school of earth-reverent ritual and counter-oppressive devotion. She co-founded the Kohenet movement and is co-author of The Hebrew Priestess: Ancient and New Visions of Jewish Women’s Spiritual Leadership. Her five albums of sacred chant have been heralded as “cutting-edge mystic medicine music.”Layla K. Feghali is an ethnobotanist, cultural worker, and author who lives between her ancestral village in Lebanon and her diasporic home in California, where she was born and raised. Her dedication is the stewardship of our earth’s eco-cultural integrity and the many layers of relational restoration, systemic reckoning, and healing that entails. Feghali offers a line of plantcestral medicine and other culturally-rooted offerings, with an emphasis on Southwest Asia and its diasporas. Her recent book, The Land in Our Bones, documents cultural herbal and healing knowledge from Syria to the Sinai, while interrogating colonialism and its lingering wounds on the culture of our displaced world.
Topics:
00:00:00 — Introduction
00:05:43 — Daniel Foor
00:21:44 — Taya Mâ Shere
00:35:44 — Layla K. Feghali
01:00:28 — Guided Practice
01:10:22 — Questions from the Event Chat
01:20:29 — Yeye Luisha Teish
01:23:48 — Closing Statements
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Feb 29, 2024 • 1h 20min
#75 Love-With-Justice: Omid Safi
This SAND Community Gathering was recorded live on February 10, 2024 with Omid Safi and SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurzio Benazzo.
For the full video version of this conversation, please visit: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/love-with-justice/
Omid Safi is a scholar of the Islamic mystical tradition of Radical Love and serves as a professor of Islamic studies at Duke University. Ten times nominated for professor of the year awards, Omid has published extensively on the foundational sources of Islam and Sufism. He has authored Memories of Muhammad and Radical Love: Teachings from the Islamic Mystical Tradition. He has offered the annual Martin Luther King lecture and appeared as an expert on Islam in the New York Times, Newsweek, Washington Post, Al-Jazeera, PBS, NPR, NBC, BBC and CNN.
Omid teaches online courses on Muslim mysticism and has his own podcast Sufi Heart. He also offers spiritually oriented contemplative journeys and retreats for the general public. Information about the books, podcast, courses, and tours can be found at illuminatedcourses.com.
SAND’s Helpful Resources on Israel/Palestine
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Topics:00:00:00 – Introduction00:03:37 – Sufi Prayer and Omid’s Bio00:06:44 – Setting a Context for the Discussion00:22:32 – ”Whataboutism”00:34:56 – Teachings from the Heart00:46:38 – Balancing Love, Fear, and Righteous00:59:19 – Responses from Spiritual Teachers on Gaza01:10:36 – Remembering Mother Earth01:14:42 – Letting Go of “You and I” / Nonduality01:16:58 – Celebrating Life

Feb 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
#74 Engaged and Aspirational Bodhicitta: Lama Tsomo
Lama Tsomo is a spiritual teacher, author, and co-founder of Namchak Foundation and Namchak Retreat Ranch, which preserves and shares Tibetan Buddhist practice in accessible, contemporary ways. Under the tutelage of Tulku Sangak Rinpoche, international holder of the Namchak lineage, Lama Tsomo has done extensive spiritual retreats in the U.S. and abroad and is fluent in Tibetan. Today, she is dedicated to sharing the teachings of the Namchak lineage with Western students, bringing greater happiness and meaning to life through meditation practice, community, and retreat. She is passionate about reaching young people and supporting those working for positive social change.
Lama Tsomo holds an M.A. in Counseling Psychology and is the author of Ancient Wisdom for Our Times: Tibetan Buddhist Practice Series and coauthor of The Lotus & the Rose: A Conversation Between Tibetan Buddhism & Mystical Christianity and the Taking a Breath meditation journal.
Links:
Namchak Website
Saving Each Other Together Project
Four Immeasurables Retreat
Namchak’s Instagram
Deepening Our Feeling for “Us”: Lama Tsomo from SAND19
Music from Today's episode:
Chenrezig Sadhana – Tibetan Vajrayana Mantra Meditation
Now I Walk In Beauty Libana- Fire Within
Now I Walk in Beauty (sheet music)
Topics:
0:00 – Introduction
2:58 – Lama Intro Story and Path to Buddhism
8:13 – Major Schools of Buddhism in the U.S.
10:35 – Balancing Mindfulness & Compassion
16:45 – The Predictions of Guru Rinpoche
24:45 – The Importance of Mantra
25:53 – The One Ocean
32:13 – Sharing in Sangha in Mantra
37:49 – Chenrezig / Avalokiteśvara chanting practice
50:53 – Working Skillfully With Equanimity
54:19 – The Importance of Sangha
58:57 – Aspirational and Engaged Boddhicitta
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