
The Other Way
Hello and welcome to The Other Way, a women's lifestyle podcast that explores uncommon, unconventional, or alternative approaches in life, health, spirituality, and work. Here, you can expect real, raw conversations with founders, researchers, trailblazers, experts in medicine, spiritual teachers, and all-around inspiring humans on the journey of doing things our way. It may not be “the way,” but it is the other way. So, if you’re like us and feel called to listen to that deeper voice - you’re in the right place. Welcome.
Latest episodes

Nov 7, 2023 • 50min
052: Exploring Consciousness: A Deep Dive into the Mind, Science, and Entrepreneurship with NextSense Founder Jonathan Berent
What does the founder of NextSense, a former Google X director, have to share about the fascinating world of consciousness and the mind-body connection? Jonathan (JB) Berent – an avid practitioner of polyphasic sleep, lucid dreaming enthusiast, and someone deeply interested in altered states of consciousness – takes us through his journey in this enlightening conversation. We unpack his fascination for the interplay between subjective experiences and science, touching upon his spiritual practices and unique sleep routine.Our conversation takes a deep dive into the world of altered states of consciousness, not just from a theoretical standpoint but from Jonathan's own experiences and observations. We also discuss the scientific measurements of these states and how they are clinically oriented around wake and sleep states. From Jonathan's personal experiences, we get an intriguing insight into the concept of flow and how it can bridge the subjective with the objective. We also touch upon the physiological processes that our brain undergoes during these states and how we can observe and comprehend what's happening.In the latter part of our conversation, we examine the role of ego in entrepreneurship and how to mindfully manage it. Using his own experiences, Jonathan illustrates the power of dreams and the delicate balance between ambition and surrender. He also shares how the teachings of Saad Guru, a renowned yogi and visionary, have shaped his journey and helped him make better decisions. So, sit back and join us on this mind-expanding exploration of consciousness, science, and much more.A bit about JB:Jonathan "JB" Berent is a visionary leader who is passionate about exploring human consciousness and unlocking its full potential. As the CEO and Founder of NextSense, he has combined his extensive business experience with cutting-edge scientific research to develop innovative biosensing wearables.
Throughout his executive career, JB has managed teams of more than 110 people and overseen budgets of $50M or more at public companies Oracle and Google. However, in 2016, he decided to follow his lifelong passion for exploring the connection between the mind and body and left sales and partnerships to focus on developing brain-sensing technologies at X, the moonshot factory.
JB's innovative work has earned him numerous speaking engagements at prestigious universities such as Stanford and UCSF, as well as conferences such as the Chan Zuckerberg BioHub and the Stanford Medicine Big Data Health. In June 2022, he was featured in a long-read cover story in Wired magazine, which highlighted his groundbreaking work in the field of biosensing wearables.
JB graduated with Honors from Stanford University with a Philosophy and Religious Studies degree.

Oct 17, 2023 • 39min
051: Environmental toxins: their impact on fertility, hormonal health, & more
"Non-Toxic Living" – when you hear it, what do you think of? Organic food, green juice, maybe drinking filtered water? (Teaser: The health of that water may actually depend on more than its source – it could also be influenced by the container it comes in!)
Today, we're delving into environmental toxins and toxicants: what are they, where are they hidden (cookware, makeup, even yoga pants?), and how do they impact your hormones, fertility, overall health – and even the health of future generations?
I have the privilege of speaking with Jenna Hua, a registered dietitian, environmental health scientist, and Founder & CEO of Million Marker. Jenna is a staunch advocate for understanding how our daily consumption habits affect our well-being. Jenna's journey, from studying food environments in China to founding a health tech startup, is as inspiring as it is informative.
Our discussion navigates the murky waters of toxins, often concealed in products we use every day, and their significant impact on health and fertility. Jenna sheds light on both persistent and transient toxins, explaining their intricate effects on our bodies. She also opens up about her personal fertility struggles and how they led her to establish Million Marker, underscoring the heart-wrenching reality that these toxins can harm unborn children and echo through generations. Jenna's insights into the regulatory measures taken by the government to manage these toxins are as illuminating as they are thought-provoking.
But it's not all gloom and doom. Jenna equips us with practical advice on detoxing from toxins and making lifestyle changes that can protect our health. From the importance of choosing organic products and reducing plastic use to selecting the right cookware, Jenna provides actionable insights for a healthier life. Tune in for an eye-opening exploration into the world of toxins, their impact, and the steps we can take to safeguard our health. Uncover the dangers lurking in your non-stick pans, the fragrances you love, and even your everyday receipts. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to take control of their health.
Jenna's Bio:
Dr. Jenna Hua, an environmental health scientist and dietitian by training, is passionate about the environment, public health, and everything food. Jenna holds a BS in Nutrition and an MPH and PhD in Environmental Health Sciences from UC Berkeley, and completed her postdoctoral fellowship at Stanford Medicine.
Frustrated by the lack of data regarding how harmful chemicals (like BPA, phthalates, and parabens) from plastics and everyday products affect our health and clinical outcomes, and the absence of a personalized approach to mitigate harmful chemical exposures, Jenna set out on a mission to change this.
She founded Million Marker, a health-tech startup dedicated to empowering everyone with the data and tools to determine how the products they use, the food they eat, and the water they drink negatively or positively influence their health. Million Marker helps people understand what chemicals are inside of them—and then provides simple solutions for quickly reducing harmful chemicals through mail-in test kits, lifestyle audits, product recommendations, and counseling.
To connect with Jenna on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/million_marker/
To learn more about Million Marker: https://www.millionmarker.com/

Oct 3, 2023 • 37min
050: Antoinette Chirinos on the Intersection of Spirituality and Plant Medicine
Ever wondered if the cure to your health woes could be found in nature? Get ready for an enriching exploration into the spiritual essence of plant medicine with the incredibly knowledgeable Antoinette Chirinos. Raised in Peru amidst traditional healers, Antoinette brings a fascinating blend of wisdom on the power of plants, the role of shamans, and the intricacies of harvesting. We take a hard look at the potential risks of overusing psychedelic plant medicines and question the impact of a consumerist mindset on this ancient practice.Antoinette also opens up about her personal struggle with health issues, and how she trusted her intuition to triumph without resorting to surgery. We discuss the significance of treating root causes rather than symptoms and the empowerment that comes from taking control of your own healing journey. This leads us to delve deeper into the role of plant medicine in healing, the importance of doing the internal work, and the caution needed to avoid overusing plant medicine ceremonies. Tune in to discover the potential plant medicine holds for your journey to wellbeing, and learn to respect its sacred nature.Core themes:
Exploring Plant Medicine: A journey into the world of plant medicine and its spiritual essence.
Traditional Wisdom: Antoinette's background growing up among traditional healers in Peru.
The Power of Plants: Insights into the healing potential of plants and their significance.
Shamans and Healing: Understanding the role of shamans in traditional healing practices.
Harvesting Rituals: Delving into the intricacies of harvesting plants for medicinal use.
Risks of Overuse: Examining the potential dangers of excessive use of psychedelic plant medicines.
Consumerist Mindset: Questioning how consumerism impacts the ancient practice of plant medicine.
Personal Healing Journey: Antoinette's personal struggle with health issues and her intuitive triumph.
Root Cause Healing: The importance of addressing root causes of health problems.
Sacred Nature of Plant Medicine: Respecting the sacredness of plant medicine and its role in wellbeing.
To connect with Antoinette:
https://www.instagram.com/antoinnettecm/
https://www.tiktok.com/@antoinnettecm
https://www.antoinnettechirinos.com/

Sep 19, 2023 • 58min
049: Chinese Medicine & seasonal living: exploring Health & Well-being in the shift into Autumn
Back for another season is one of your favorite episode themes: Seasonal Living and Health according to Chinese Medicine.Today's topic? Living in alignment with Autumn with Anne Woods.Anne Woods is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in San Francisco. Her approach to modern medicine is gentle and empowering. Rooted in ancient healing modalities such as acupuncture and Eastern medicine, therapeutic movement, nutrition counseling, and herbal medicine, she believes we can teach the physical, emotional, and spiritual body to achieve balance. Anne has a passion for helping people with acute and chronic pain, digestive disorders, hormone imbalances, natural skincare, and stress. Her intention is to help people feel vibrant and alive in their bodies so they can live fully, with peace in their heart and mind. She has been teaching yoga for over 14 years in a variety of styles. When she is not in the clinic, Anne enjoys spending time in the ocean, tending her garden, ceramics, and cooking up nourishing dinners with friends and family.
💫 We cover :
The importance of seasonal transitions
The difference between summer, late summer, and autumn as seasons according to Chinese Medicine
The core organs that need to be nourished for the autumn season
Late Summer & Autumn: element, color, emotions
Imbalance vs. IN-balance for the Autumn season
Patterns in Chinese Medicine associated with the Autumn season
Foods for Autumn - how to bring back balance via nutrition
Tips for starting a NEW movement routine
Why breath work is crucial for Autumn
Why Anne does NOT support traditional cleanses (and what she recommends instead)
Skincare for autumn
+ SO much more
💫 Mentioned on today’s podcast:
Episode 1 on seasonal living
The new BLOG!
The Garden Wellness shop
Seasonal Zines
💫 To connect with Anne:
The Garden SF (wellness clinic)
Instagram
Spotify

Sep 5, 2023 • 45min
048: A Deep Dive into Shamanism & Plant Medicine with Judy Lieblein
Do you ever wonder about the ancient wisdom of shamanism and the profound transformation it can spur within an individual? Today, I'm thrilled to share my compelling conversation with Judy Lieblein an esteemed herbalist, reiki master teacher, visionary activist, and shamanic practitioner. Our insightful discussion unfolds around the intriguing spiritual system of shamanism and the transformative experiences that punctuate this journey, such as the intriguing phenomena of fragmentation and shamanic death.We journey deep into the heart of shamanic death, contrasting it with soul fragmentation and dissociation. Judy illuminates how this experience can trigger a profound reshaping of belief structures, leading us to the core of who we are. As we uncover these layers, we also explore how the echoes of childhood traumas and unexpressed feelings can bind us to the past, and how recognizing and breaking these patterns can imbue a fresh perspective and personal growth.As we delve into the enigmatic realm of plant medicine, Judy shares her wisdom about the romanticization and overconsumption of these potent substances. We emphasize the importance of recognizing plant medicine for its true purpose - powerful medicine, and debate the nuances of its use and distribution. Lastly, we acknowledge the potential of these plant allies to help us uncover our greatest potential and express gratitude for our shared time. Join us on this enriching journey into the world of shamanism, healing, and personal growth.To Connect with Judy (Or Gathering Thyme):
https://gatheringthyme.com/
https://www.instagram.com/sacredroseherbals/
https://www.instagram.com/gathering.thyme.shop

Aug 22, 2023 • 49min
047: Mental health, social media, & the power of mindfulness with Dr. Towery, MD
Ever wondered how your identity shapes your mental well-being? Join us for a heart-to-heart conversation with Stanford-trained, board-certified psychiatrist, Dr. Jacob Towery, as we navigate this intricate relationship. We unwrap the many layers of mental health, from whole-person care to the interplay of the attention economy with technology, and provide you with practical tools to alleviate depressive and anxious thoughts. Bonus: get to know Dr. Towery's playful side as we underline the value of fun in reducing pressure and finding inner peace.Social media - a boon or a bane for your mental health? We tackle this pressing issue head-on, throwing light on how our everyday interactions with digital platforms could be contributing to the growing mental health epidemic in the United States. Amidst the COVID-19 pandemic and its associated loneliness, we discuss the potential dangers of social media overload and the pressures on our attention. Listen in as we reveal strategies to manage this digital deluge and safeguard your mental health.Challenging conventional wisdom, we take a deep dive into the chemical imbalance hypothesis, debunking the myth that depression is purely a serotonin issue. Immerse yourself in an illuminating discussion on the power of cognitive behavioral therapy and other mindfulness practices in understanding and managing depression. Ending on a hopeful note, we redefine trauma and healing, emphasizing the importance of safe spaces for sharing stories, addressing beliefs about trauma, and promoting positive reframing techniques. Join us and gain a fresh perspective on mental health and identity.To connect with Dr. Towery:
jacobtowerymd.com
Check out his book: "The Anti-Depressant Book" (The Anti-Depressant Book: A Practical Guide for Teens and Young Adults to Overcome Depression and Stay Healthy)

Aug 8, 2023 • 52min
046: Ali Dunn on Enneagram, personality typing, & your life purpose
Have you ever wondered how different aspects of your personality shape your life decisions, relationships, and overall sense of purpose? Ready to debunk the mystery behind your inner motivations and values? On today's episode, you're in for a treat. Our special guest, Ali Dunn, a renowned Leadership and Enneagram Coach, joins us to decode the Enneagram, a powerful tool that unravels our unique personality types with their strengths, weaknesses and motivations.Together, we journey through the nine distinct Enneagram types, and how this system surpasses other personality assessments like Myers-Briggs and astrology. Ali, with her profound experience, illustrates how understanding your type can guide you in finding your purpose, disentangling from self-limiting beliefs and aligning your life with your core values. We further dive deep into the concept of values alignment, how to identify when you're out of alignment and the steps to recalibrate your life path.Navigating the challenges of managing our inner critic, overcoming imposter syndrome and understanding the pressure of success, we discuss the importance of authenticity and how to tap into our authentic selves. Ali shares her personal path to identifying when she was out of alignment with her values and how she bravely redirected her life. Tune in for this enlightening episode, and you may discover the Enneagram could be your key to self-acceptance and understanding.Mentioned in this episode:
https://www.ieq9.com/ recommended test for Enneagram
https://www.truity.com/test/enneagram-personality-test FREE test for Enneagram
To connect with Ali:
https://www.instagram.com/alimdunn/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alidunncoach/
https://www.alidunn.com/

Jul 25, 2023 • 48min
045: Breaking Beauty Standards: A Conversation with Nadine Artemis
Reflecting on my teenage years, I remember flipping through magazines, testing out countless beauty products, and trying to make sense of it all. It wasn't until I started exploring health food stores and farmers' markets that I began to truly understand the connection between what we put in our bodies and how we feel about ourselves. My guest, renowned aromacologist Nadine Artemis, has taken this concept a step further, shifting the focus from external beauty to nurturing our bodies from the inside out. She calls it Renegade Beauty, and in our chat, we dive into this innovative mindset, shedding light on the science behind clean beauty and the importance of maintaining a balanced skin microbiome.As a society, we've become accustomed to unrealistic beauty standards, often shaped by the media and intensified by the pressures of social media. Nadine and I discuss the real root of skin issues like acne, and how small changes in our daily routines can lead to significant improvements in our skin health and overall wellbeing. We explore the power of essential oils, the value of a balanced diet, and the impact of modern skincare products on our skin's microbiome. We also address the toxicity of social media and the comparison trap it creates, encouraging a healthier relationship with ourselves and our bodies.But our conversation doesn't stop at skincare. We delve into more delicate topics such as body dysmorphia and the importance of self-care. We share our thoughts on the need to step away from the rat race and focus on nurturing our inner lives for outward stability. Nadine offers her insights on how to navigate beauty pressures, and we both share our experiences and advice on cultivating self-love and acceptance. Our chat is a celebration of natural beauty, self-knowledge, and nurturing the body from the inside out. Join us, and let's redefine beauty together.💫 Mentioned in this episode:
Renegade Beauty
Living Libations
The link between social media and body dysmorphic disorder
💫 To connect with Nadine:
https://www.instagram.com/nadineartemisofficial/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/livinglibationsofficial/
https://www.facebook.com/livinglibations/
https://www.youtube.com/@livinglibationsofficial

Jul 11, 2023 • 55min
044: Rewriting the Productivity Narrative with Monk Manual's Founder
Are you feeling like a hamster on a wheel, constantly chasing productivity but never really finding contentment? Well, allow me to introduce our guest for today's episode, Steven Lawson, a whole-person productivity coach and founder of Monk Manual, who might just have the answers you're looking for. Together, we debunk the myth that busyness equals productivity and discuss how the balance of being and doing can lead to a more fulfilling life. Steven shares his personal journey from being a Type A personality to finding a more centered and content existence, a journey that will no doubt inspire and enlighten.Let's face it, we're all susceptible to the pitfalls of perfectionism and the pressure to constantly achieve. But as we discuss in this episode, it's not always about reaching the peak; sometimes, the journey is just as important. We delve into the importance of reflection and intentionality, and how these elements can fuel positive growth and lead to a life of contentment. Steven talks about his Monk Manual and how it incorporates planning and reflection to inspire a more meaningful and productive life.But it's not all about the journey and the reflection; it's also about recognizing the signs when you're heading towards burnout. In this episode, we talk about the often overlooked indications of impending burnout, and how being attuned to our physical, emotional, and spiritual cues can help prevent us from crashing. We also discuss the importance of self-compassion and inner guidance as we aim to balance ambition and contentment. Steven's insights, rooted in his personal experiences and the philosophies of Monk Manual, provide valuable guidance for anyone looking to lead a more integrated and fulfilling life. So, tune in, and let's rethink productivity and embrace a more holistic approach to our daily lives together.To connect with Steven or learn more about Monk Manual:
Monk Manual Website
Monk Manual FB
Monk Manual IG: @MonkManual
Monk Manual Pinterest

Jun 27, 2023 • 1h 2min
043: Dr. Heidi Lovie on combating Hashimoto's: Insights from Western Medicine & Chinese Medicine
Are you struggling with Hashimoto's thyroid disease? This episode is a must-listen, as I had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Heidi Lovie, a renowned expert in Hashimoto's and Chinese medicine practitioner with over 20 years of clinical experience. As someone who personally suffers from this condition, Dr. Lovie provides invaluable insights on managing Hashimoto's from both Western and Chinese medicine perspectives.We cover a wide range of topics, including the connection between the immune system and Hashimoto's, potential causes of this autoimmune disease, and how it may evolve over time. Dr. Lovie also shares her personal experience with Hashimoto's, her journey through perimenopause, and the challenges faced by many individuals with this condition, such as traditional gender roles and societal expectations.Join us as we delve into the world of thyroid health, and discuss the importance of finding the right medication, healthcare practitioner, and lifestyle changes to manage Hashimoto's effectively. Whether you've just be diagnosed or are seeking further insights, this episode will provide valuable information and guidance on your journey to better thyroid health.To connect with Dr. Lovie
Instagram: @loviehealing
https://www.lovieacupuncture.com/
Mentioned on our episode:
Qi Logical Podcast
Lanshin Gua Sha