The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

There was a bloody ritual unfolding just a few minutes from the DNC… — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:00 What was happening while the Democratic National Convention was happening, animal rights issues is bipartisan problem, & ventilation shutdown (legally killing animals by roasting animals alive) Chapter 2) 9:01-19:50 The public, political, & corporate causes of the animal rights moral crisis Chapter 3) 19:51- 29:44 What is preference falsification, on Cass Sunstein, & on Ezra Klein Chapter 4) 29:45-39:41 Why are we scared to publicly talk about animal rights, & how to create social & legal change for animals  Chapter 5) 39:42-46:51 The ten words to remember when starting & continuing your activism Chapter 6) 46:52-48:12 Final thoughts & leave a comment Chapter 7) 48:13-48:29 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: “Climate Change and Animals” by Wayne Hsiung & Cass R. Sunstein: https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/penn_law_review/vol155/iss6/7/  “What animal activists can learn from historical upheavals” by Cass Sunstein: https://www.newstatesman.com/author/casssunstein  SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES Opinion: NATIONAL PORK PRODUCERS COUNCIL ET AL. v. ROSS, SECRETARY OF THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURE, ET AL.: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-468_5if6.pdf  “Court upholds California animal-welfare law” by Amy Howe: https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/court-upholds-california-animal-welfare-law/  “Collective dynamics of ‘small-world’ networks” by Duncan J. Watts & Steven H. Strogatz: https://www.nature.com/articles/30918 

Something odd happened in politics – and, increasingly, communities – about 10 years ago: more and more people began claiming “victim” status. Jeremy Loeb and I break down the phenomenon. - Follow Jeremy: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/ XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy  Follow Wayne: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_  Follow activist Paul Watson: IG: https://www.instagram.com/captainpaulwatson/  LinkTree: linktr.ee/cpwf  - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-18:16 Intro, how politics & social media affect individuals & communities across the country, victimization mentality, & infighting Chapter 2) 18:17-27:43 On the Sonoma County ballot initiative outreach (https://www.yesonj.vote) & the opposition reaction Chapter 3) 27:44-41:27 Differences between unproductive victimization politics & productive accountability politics, & being personally affected by unproductive victimization politics Chapter 4) 41:28-57:51 Succumbing to social pressure or doing what’s right, remembering to center the animals in the movement, & the differences between disputes & bigotry Chapter 5) 57:52-1:07:52 People in the animal rights movement, being on social media, intentions/reasons for public behavior, & having conversations when there are disagreements Chapter 6) 1:07:53-1:19:31 The goal of social justice movements, call-out culture on social media, & conversations about stating facts Chapter 7) 1:19:32-1:29:30 Benefits & limits of modern technology, handling rejection & challenging yourself, building community/individual relationships requires communicating in-person Chapter 8) 1:29:31-1:36:25 How to find a community, more thoughts on technology, & attending the recent “#YesOnJ” Convergence for the Sonoma County ballot initiative Chapter 9) 1:36:26-1:46:30 Final thoughts: Power in the social justice movements & politics, good leaders empower other leaders, empowering yourself to be a leader, follow activist Paul Watson’s case (link above), & subscribe to Jeremy’s YouTube channel & Wayne’s YouTube channel (links above) Chapter 10) 1:46:31-1:46:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis.

Adam Durand was the first activist in US history to be jailed for an open rescue. And his story – including one of the wildest criminal trials in animal rights history – is equal parts inspiring and haunting. — Documentary of Wegmans Egg Farm Investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99T_xb9NTs Article: “Capturing Caged Hens on Video Brings a Charge of Burglary” https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/16/nyregion/capturing-caged-hens-on-video-brings-a-charge-of-burglary.html — Follow Adam: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adam.durand/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/adam.durand XTwitter: https://x.com/adam_durand TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@durand.adam?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@adamdurand LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdurand/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@adam.durand — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Adam’s story of Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/hen rescue, the first open rescue manual, & the grassroots activism feelings during the first open trainings/rescues in the US Chapter 2) 19:41 Continued: Adam’s story of Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/rescue & the current state of activism Chapter 3) 30:15 Activists’ first look inside one of many large sheds at Wegmans Egg Farm, how many hens they rescued, & tough decisions during factory farm investigations Chapter 4) 38:18 Angie’s rescue from Wegmans Egg Farm & life at Farm Sanctuary, the other hens’ lives after the rescue from Wegmans Egg Farm Chapter 5) 50:34 Activists’ taking hens out of the cages at Wegmans Egg Farm, & veterinarians’ reactions to hens rescued from Wegmans Egg Farm & a rescued parrot Chapter 6) 58:42 Local animal cruelty authorities, history of US animal cruelty laws, hens in manure lagoons at Wegmans Egg Farm, how factory farms kill hens after their egg production declines Chapter 7) 1:09:15 The documentary on Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/hen rescue is made & released to a journalist (documentary link above), journalists & editors reactions to activists’ investigation stories, the authorities’ surveillance/arrest/prosecution of activists, & public reaction of the investigation/documentary Chapter 8) 1:21:51 Infiltrators & informants in nonviolent activism movements (“This American Life - The Turncoat” link below), Adam’s reaction to being investigated, on activist Eric McDavid’s story (link below), & the US government investigations of the Civil Rights movement Chapter 9) 1:33:05 Adam on the grand jury after he turned himself into authorities, on prosecutors handling grand juries & defendants Chapter 10) 1:42:03 Adam on his trial for open rescue in 2006: lawyers for activists, on judges, the pressure of testifying, on burglary charge acquittal, on trespass conviction, & on prosecutors Chapter 11) 1:58:00 Adam on his trial for open rescue in 2006: on closing statements, on the verdict from the jury, on the judge during the sentencing hearing, on being featured on PrimeTime Live, on being illegally sentenced, & on going to/being in jail Chapter 12) 2:07:46 Lawyers’ reaction to Adam’s sentencing hearing, & more on Adam being in jail: inmates, jobs, vegan food, treatment from guards, on Adam’s “Stay-of-Execution,” & on being released Chapter 13) 2:16:21 Working on the appeal, on winning the appeal, re-sentenced by the same judge, a surprise vacation rental ending, & Adam’s life after jail Chapter 14) 2:25:22 Final thoughts: lessons learned from doing open rescues Chapter 15) 2:28:14 Outro video - Thanks for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Other links: “This American Life - The Turncoat”: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/381/turncoat Activist Eric McDavid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_McDavid “If a Tree Falls”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQoi0DoOKM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_Tree_Falls

From deportations to oil profits, the numbers tell a different story than most would expect. What implications does that have for those of us who care about protecting life on earth?  — Follow Jeremy & UARC: XTwitter: https://twitter.com/JeremyBeckham  IG: https://www.instagram.com/j.s.beckham/  FB: https://www.facebook.com/slcvegan  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsbeckham/  FB: https://www.facebook.com/utahanimalrights  XTwitter: https://twitter.com/UARC  IG: https://www.instagram.com/utahanimalrights/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/utahanimalrights/about/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-20:29 Intro, political parties perspectives of the animal rights movement, corporations getting funding from government subsidies & more, & those who are elected affect activism Chapter 2) 20:30-29:57 Consequences of policies, & Smithfield’s (& other companies) corporate power  Chapter 3) 29:58-46:25 Jeremy’s take presidential campaigns attention on animal rights issues, the changing of public concerns, & systemic problems or changes from each political party Chapter 4) 46:26-59:18 Pandemic affecting society & statistical data, & Jeremy & Wayne’s differing opinions on the threat of Trump to Democracy & the rule of law Chapter 5) 59:19-1:19:56 Antitrust case against poultry companies, criminal charges against activists showing the truth instead of corporations that break the law, Jeremy & Wayne’s thoughts on the presidential election, thoughts on the focus of the animal rights movement, thoughts on silicon valley,  Chapter 6) 1:19:57-1:30:06 Thoughts on ballot initiative campaigns Chapter 7) 1:30:07-1:41:49 Jeremy & Wayne’s political worries (animal rights policies & other policies) under the Trump’s administration, & take action at the local political level Chapter 8) 1:41:50-1:49:52 Jeremy & Wayne’s political hopes & concerns for the animal rights movement Chapter 9) 1:49:53-1:50:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Could the greatest moral crisis on Earth today be… the suffering of insects? Jack, aka Humane Hancock, thinks the suffering of wild animals, including insects, matters. And if he’s right, there are remarkable implications.  — Follow Jack: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HumaneHancock  Website: patreon.com/Humanehancock  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/humanehancock/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/humanehancockpage  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@humane_hancock?lang=en  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-hancock-fairs-b7b903196/  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@humanehancock  XTwitter: https://x.com/Jackwxm  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-13:24 Intro, Jack’s childhood view of beings’ sentience, being less assertive in a positive way, & genetic components of veganism  Chapter 2) 13:25-24:58 Why insects do matter & overcoming the public mockery of controversial issues  Chapter 3) 24:59-41:23 Consciousness of insects compared to animals & the ethics of insect sentience Chapter 4) 41:24-55:10 The importance of having these conversations, strategies to make the world a  better place, & maintaining authenticity as an activist Chapter 5) 55:11-1:10:04 Caring about the suffering of wild animals, Jack’s chronic pain issues, & what is humanity’s responsibility to wild animals Chapter 6) 1:10:05-1:24:43 Political representation for nonhuman animals & is a “utopia” possible for wild animals Chapter 7) 1:24:44-1:36:27 How to do outreach about wild animals’ suffering & do animals have morals  Chapter 8) 1:36:28-1:51:55 Final thoughts: Jack & Wayne on how to not be overwhelmed by the suffering of animals & follow Jack on social media (links above) Chapter 9) 1:51:56-1:52:13 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Tom Harris was sent to prison for running a lawful campaign against an animal testing company in the United Kingdom. What can we learn from his experience about why so many, in the government and otherwise, hate activists for animal rights? - More information: Website: https://shacjustice.com/ Tom’s book: “Your Neighbour Kills Puppies: Inside the Animal Liberation Movement”: https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745348698/your-neighbour-kills-puppies/  Follow Tom: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tattoo_tom/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tom.tattooist   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tattootom/  Website: https://tomharris.me/ - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!  - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:19 Intro: on the hate toward veganism & animal rights activism Chapter 2) 5:20-24:10 Tom on the SHAC campaign in the UK & in other countries, & Wayne on the SHAC campaign in the US Chapter 3) 24:11-35:47 The pressure campaign on Marshall BioResources (MBR Acres/Camp Beagle), cultural campaigns vs pressure campaigns, SHAC’s founders, & learning from past campaigns/activists Chapter 4) 35:48-54:29 Grassroots activism in the early 2000s & organizational structure of activism groups now, & Tom’s work rebuilding local grassroots activism groups Chapter 5) 54:30-1:00:11 National politics/activism vs local politics/activism, different types of addictions, & learning from past campaigns/activists Chapter 6) 1:00:12-1:26:25 Activist infighting & different ways to do activism in person Chapter 7) 1:26:26-1:39:00 What were/are the local grassroots activism groups, more on Tom’s work on rebuilding local grassroots activism groups, & studying other social justice movements  Chapter 8) 1:39:01-1:46:37 The beginning of Tom’s activism journey in childhood Chapter 9) 1:46:38-1:50:24 Music & identity politics  Chapter 10) 1:50:25-1:55:26 Tom joining the animal rights movement & becoming vegan Chapter 11) 1:55:27-2:09:22 Tom’s journey to jail for nonviolent activism: on biotech billionaire named David Sainsbury, actions of SHAC infiltrator Adrian Radford & SHAC informant Chris Potter, & activists raided in 2007 & SHAC campaign ended in 2014 Chapter 12) 2:09:23-2:19:21 Open organizing & underground actions  Chapter 13) 2:19:22-2:27:08 Tom’s advice to activists/advocates, getting through & being prepared for jail, buy Tom’s book (link above), & follow Tom on social media (links above) Chapter 14) 2:27:09-2:27:25 Outro video: Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis - Books mentioned: “Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community” by Robert D. Putnam “Why David Sometimes Wins: Leadership, Organization, and Strategy in the California Farm Worker Movement” by Marshall Ganz “Your Neighbour Kills Puppies: Inside the Animal Liberation Movement” by Tom Harris Movies mentions: “Animal People” (Documentary, 2019)

Jeremy Loeb and I discuss the ethics of lying. From factory farms that create false ads, to politicians who deceive the public, manipulation is everywhere. Can that ever be justified? - Follow Jeremy: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/ XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy  - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-36:54 Intro, Diestel Turkey Farm Investigation, Diestel Civil case judgment, Whole Foods & Diestel Turkey Farm interfering in the news media reporting on the case, Sonoma County Trial, cognitive dissonance of intelligent people, “canceling” Jeremy & Wayne, & thoughts on Trump Chapter 2) 36:55-50:59 The problem with the news media, Vox series on factory farming & the media, Beef Industry lawsuit against ABC News, Diestel Civil case judgment without a trial, & anti-vegan bias in court Chapter 3) 51:00-1:35:47 What happened during the Diestel Civil case appeal, cognitive decline, the legal & political system, defamation lawsuit discovery from during the Berkeley mayoral campaign, thought experiments, the importance of voting, & the importance of activism Chapter 4) 1:35:48-1:51:12 Honesty, transparency, & trust given to society, the ways people lie, the ways political parties lie, & the ways corporations lie Chapter 5) 1:51:13-1:58:18 Turkeys rescued from Diestel Turkey Farm (links below), false advertising from animal agriculture, activism is the moral baseline to create change, & stay tuned for updates on the Diestel Civil case Chapter 6) 1:56:18-1:58:34 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis - Books mentioned:“On Bullshit” by Harry G. Frankfurt - Links: DxE video investigation of Diestel Turkey Farm and turkey rescue (2015): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byb8WjknZxw  https://www.facebook.com/directactioneverywhere/videos/1089174481112900 “Direct Action Everywhere SF Bay Area v. Diestel Turkey Ranch” (2023): https://casetext.com/case/direct-action-everywhere-sf-bay-area-v-diestel-turkey-ranch/  “Whole Foods Thanksgiving turkeys endure ‘horrific conditions’ at Calif. farm, activists say” (2015): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/whole-foods-thanksgiving-turkeys-endure-horrific-conditions-at-calif-farm-animal-rights-activists-say/  "Video Shows Abuse at Whole Foods Turkey Supplier, Activists Say: Diestel Turkey Ranch says video is misleading because it depicts narrow period of time" By Kelsey Gee (2015):https://www.wsj.com/articles/video-shows-abuse-at-whole-foods-turkey-supplier-activists-say-1448328713

James Aspey has been experiencing unbearable pain, related to serious injuries he’s suffered for over a decade. But he found a miraculous cure: getting off social media.  This conversation went in an unexpected direction. I wanted to have James on to discuss double standards in politics. Why are we so open to politicians ignoring the moral calamity of animal abuse? But the discussion turned to a more fundamental question: what is the true meaning of suffering in a world filled with so much violence and pain? And how do we create a world that provides peace and meaning to all sentient beings?  - Follow James: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@James_Aspey  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmycashpey/  FB Profile Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=706979461  FB Public Figure Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61550037632451  XTwitter: https://twitter.com/jamesaspey_  Email: jimmycashpey@proton.me  Website: jamesaspey.com.au - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-25:12 Intro, politics & voting, avian flu, social media, veganism/plant-based in Brazil, & possibilities in the future Chapter 2) 25:13-1:08:42 James’s intense experiences, thoughts on faith & religions, vegan consumption & bodybuilding, effective altruism,  Chapter 3) 1:08:43-1:29:12 James & Nick Hiebert on Shawn Baker podcast/Joe Rogan reaction, population ethics debate, & vegans having kids Chapter 4) 1:29:12-1:52:42 James’s recent pain issues & road to recovery, overcoming stress, reading books, & James’s first decade of veganism/animal rights outreach leading to his music Chapter 5) 1:52:43-1:57:36 Final thoughts & follow James on YouTube (link above) Chapter 6) 1:57:37-1:57:53 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis - Books mentioned: The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck by Mark Manson Ready Player One by by Ernest Cline Catcher in the Rye by J. D. Salinger Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know by Adam Grant

Ben Newman is the first activist in Animal Rising to serve jail time for his nonviolent activism for animals. And he has tips for all of us on how to stay calm and positive, even in hard times . - Follow Animal Rising- Website: https://www.animalrising.org/  IG: https://www.instagram.com/animal.rising/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Animal.Rising  IG: https://www.instagram.com/animal.rising/  FB: https://www.facebook.com/AnimalRising  XTwitter: https://twitter.com/AnimalRising   The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapter 1) 00:00-38:10 Intro, Animal Rising, nonviolent activists protests being targeted by authorities, Hatfield action to stop supply of dairy milk in UK & aftermath, trial experiences, judges in the UK & the USA, & the first open rescue of dogs at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres) Chapter 2) 38:11-46:01 Defense strategies of activists going to trial for animal rescue & the animal ag industry/government reaction to those defense strategies Chapter 3) 46:02-1:12:26 Second open rescue of dogs at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres), making the impossible become possible for animals, making sacrifices to change the system, more police investigations, waiting for trials in the UK, “back-flip Ben,” positive energy, & other actions at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres) Chapter 4) 1:12:27-1:40:30 Ben’s jail experience, disrupting the Grand National & other horse races, Wayne’s jail experience, post-jail experiences, how to handle stress, last thoughts, & follow Animal Rising on social media (links above) Chapter 5) 1:40:31-1:40:54 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Should vegans stop calling ourselves vegan? Natalie Fulton makes the case in this conversation. Natalie is a YouTuber and the social media lead for Pro-Animal Future, which focuses on using systemic change to end the exploitation of animals. - Follow Pro-Animal Future: Website: https://ProAnimalFuture.org Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Slaughter- Free September 2024 Interest form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLUqkWaQzJqvfeg9AzZWZ3QW6YXOckja77HfhLmuA5muvLwg/viewform - Follow Natalie: YouTube: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton Patreon: patreon.com/nataliefulton Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton Substack: https://nataliefulton.substack.com/ - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-29:08 Intro, working with Pro-Animal Future, ballot initiatives in Colorado, individual change vs. systemic change, Vegan Gains, Natalie’s debate strategy, & the history of change Chapter 2) 29:09-59:35 What is the winning narrative for animal rights, Natalie’s controversial take on the word “Vegan,” identity, documentaries, & animal rights as a political issue Chapter 3) 59:35-1:13:36 The goal of animal rights, influencers affected by their audience, ordinary people affected by their social circles, & the lies of animal agriculture industry Chapter 4) 1:13:37-1:34:42 We stronger with more activists, meditation, & everyone can contribute to the animal rights movement Chapter 5) 1:34:43-1:37:36 Final thoughts: More on the ballot initiative in Colorado, Slaughter-Free September (link above), & follow Pro-Animal Future (links above) Chapter 6) 1:37:37-1:37:53 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, Chloe Leffakis, & Jeremy Loeb