The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

Wandering cows, illegal raids, and threats to democracy that may imperil the future of our nation. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! Thumbnail photo by Adair Luhr — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 The greatest threat to democracy is on our dinner plates; how Tracy Murphy’s case shows why Chapter 2) 08:32 Aren’t there greater threats to democracy, like insurrections? Chapter 3) 11:55 Why democracy is a good system, but how a poorly functioning one fails us Chapter 4) 19:02 “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,” and why Martin Luther King, Jr. was right Chapter 5) 24:36 Imagine a different world where relatively powerless people and animals can go up against the powerful Chapter 6) 27:10 What each of us can do to help us achieve a more democratic society Chapter 7) 28:39 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Justin Marceau was lead counsel in the People v. Tracy Murphy. I speak to him about the serious misconduct we revealed in the case – & what it tells us about the broader problem of criminal justice. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Contact/follow Animal Activist Legal Defense Project: https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project  https://www.instagram.com/aaldp_du/  https://x.com/AALDP_DU  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:25 Intro, Tracy Murphy’s case & trial, Animal Activist Legal Defense Project, & the defense gets new information days before trial starts Chapter 2) 11:26-20:56 At the dismissal: the judge reprimands defense while wrongly praising the prosecution, “poverty of low expectations” in the criminal justice system, constitutional violations against Tracy, compliments about the legal team working well together, & Tracy’s bravery to not take a plea deal Chapter 3) 20:57-28:01 Would destruction of evidence have been enough to dismiss the case without familial relationship disclosure, & not a strong case for the prosecution in front of a jury Chapter 4) 28:02- 36:34 Do people in the US really have presumption of innocence in the American legal system, & Tracy’s learning her legal rights to the cows Chapter 5) 36:35-47:56 Tracy followed the law in this case, law students & lawyers should learn how to emotionally be there for their clients, intense animal agricultural opposition & disinformation against Tracy’s compassionate choices, & how Tracy has helped the authorities & community with animals abuse cases Chapter 6) 47:57-56:24 Employees betraying Tracy, harassment against Tracy, how society & local communities are divided, & the power of the prosecution Chapter 7) 56:25-1:13:54 Justin & Wayne working together & with the legal team for animal rights activists, & Justin’s advice to new lawyers & activists Chapter 8) 1:13:55-1:27:14 How to make the legal system more accessible, the need for authenticity in personal & public interactions, Wayne’s proposed changes to the court, & lawyers empowering their activist clients Chapter 9) 1:27:15-1:37:45 What Justin learned from the Asha Rescue Trial, Wayne’s arguments in court, getting to know local lawyers, final thoughts, & check out the website Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (link above) Chapter 10) 1:37:46-1:38:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Justin: https://x.com/justin_marceau https://www.facebook.com/justin.marceau.9 https://www.linkedin.com/in/marceau-justin-97b33015/ Support Asha's Farm Sanctuary & Tracy: https://www.ashasfarmsanctuary.org https://www.facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary https://www.instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary https://twitter.com/AshasSanctuary https://www.tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en https://www.facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572 https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410/ — Books/Essays: Beyond Cages: Animal Law & Criminal Punishment by Justin Marceau Carceral Logics: Human Incarceration & Animal Captivity by (Editors) Lori Gruen & Justin Marceau Truth & Transparency: Undercover Investigations in the Twenty-First Century by Alan K. Chen & Justin Marceau Cases & Materials on the Death Penalty by Nina Rivkind, Steven Shatz, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau “Federal Habeas Corpus: Cases & Materials” by Andrea Lyon, Emily Hughes, Mary Prosser, & Justin Marceau Death Penalty in a Nutshell by Victor Streib, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau Voluntary Prosecution & the Case of Animal Rescue by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, & Steffen Seitz (Harvard Law Review) https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/ Books mentioned: The Art of Choosing by Sheena Iyengar The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less by Barry Schwartz Movies mentioned: The Joker (2019)

On July 16, 2022, Tracy Murphy saw two young stray cows wandering onto her property, adjacent to a busy road in upstate New York. She gave the cows food, water, and shelter and called the SPCA. What happened in the next few years is so bizarre and outrageous – from police raids to hidden cows sent to slaughter – that it's hard to believe. — Follow Asha’s Farm Sanctuary and Tracy Murphy! Website: https://www.ashasfarmsanctuary.org   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary  XTwitter: https://twitter.com/AshasSanctuary  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410/   — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:37 Intro, how Tracy Murphy found Little Willow and Ishmael at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary in July 2022, & how Asha’s Farm Sanctuary helps abused farm animals in the local community Chapter 2) 10:38-22:27 How the case against Tracy started, getting to know Little Willow and Ishmael at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary & Tracy’s legal rights to Little Willow and Ishmael Chapter 3) 23:28-44:00 Tracy’s interactions with Gregson (the alleged owner of the cows) and the authorities & the defense team learning new information just before the trial was supposed to start  Chapter 4) 44:01-54:21 Forrest Lucas & “Protect the Harvest” publicly defame Tracy, no support from authorities when 100+ people harass/block Tracy at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary, the authorities raid, arrest, & shackle(!) Tracy, & Tracy is gagged by the court -  prohibited from posting on social media - while Gregson spreads lies  Chapter 5) 54:22- 1:03:27 Finally learning what happened to Little Willow and Ishmael from the New York Times reporting on the case, not from the authorities/court, & violations of individuals’ constitutional rights, & violations of laws by those with power Chapter 6) 1:03:28-1:10:15 Tracy’s legal team, the judge’s ruling, how Tracy won the case, & final thoughts Chapter 7) 1:10:16-1:10:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Also mentioned: Animal Activist Legal Defense Project https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project

As the next big right to rescue trial looms, we're republishing a blast from the past: a debate I had with a pig farmer just months after a mass open rescue at Sunrise Farms. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-03:10 Intro: communicating with adversaries and on the Asha Trial starting on October 3rd with Tracy Murphy #CompassionIsNotACrime Chapter 2) 3:11-1:17:58 Wayne Hsiung and Trent Loos: first debate from 2018 Chapter 3) 1:17:59-1:18:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

In one week, we face the next huge animal rights trial. Here’s what we can learn from my closing argument in one of the last ones.  #SmithfieldFoods #CompassionIsNotACrime — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at ⁠https://www.simpleheart.org⁠! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Context of revisiting this closing argument Chapter 2) 04:06 Piglets, Purpose, Price; Wayne sighs before starting Chapter 3) 08:22 End of a long Friday Chapter 4) 11:35 Using a line from an unlikely ally Chapter 5) 14:56 Piglets Chapter 6) 17:15 Purpose Chapter 7) 22:08 Price Chapter 8) 31:14 More thoughts on the value of unexpected allies Chapter 9) 33:08 The added pressure of representing other defendants at trial Chapter 10) 36:15 Addressing the intent to steal piglets Chapter 11) 39:12 The first controversial line: "I don't want you to acquit us..." Chapter 12) 41:50 The second controversial line: Animals have "given us food..." Chapter 13) 44:32 Closing thoughts: Don't hide the ball, dive deep, and have faith Chapter 14) 54:33 Outro videos - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

David Ramms thinks veganism has an infighting problem. Is he right? And if so, what can be done? — Follow David: YouTube: www.youtube.com/@davidramms Website: https://davidramms.com/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/davidramms/ FB: https://www.facebook.com/itsdavidramms XTwitter: https://twitter.com/itsdavidramms LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidramms/ — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:32 Intro, context for David’s speech causing controversy in the animal rights movement, going to animal rights conferences, starting DxE Barcelona, & inequality in the movement Chapter 2) 16:33-26:05 More on David’s speech: communicating through disagreements & conflict Chapter 3) 26:06-44:21 Racism inside & outside of the animal rights movement Chapter 4) 44:22-57:08 Responding to racism inside & outside the animal rights movement, & David talking with people after his speech Chapter 5) 57:09-1:09:57 Groups targeted as cults Chapter 6) 1:09:58-1:23:27 Communicating based on facts with First Principles, David responding to questions about his speech, & David acknowledging prior behavior Chapter 7) 1:23:28-1:38:21 David’s growth as an activist, on leaders & leadership in the movement, on Threat Inflation, & being on social media Chapter 8) 1:38:22-1:46:21 Abolitionists & welfarist in the animal rights movement, how to be react responsibly on social media, & final thoughts Chapter 9) 1:46:22-1:46:37 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “How to Create a Vegan World: A Pragmatic Approach” by Tobias Leenaert https://www.tobiasleenaert.be/p/boek.html Movies mentioned: “Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America” (Documentary - 2016) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_Courtesy:_Daryl_Davis,_Race_%26_America

Tash Peterson was recently convicted and forbidden from leaving Western Australia after protesting a restaurant that banned vegans. She was sued for accusing a chef who posed with dead animals of “animal abuse.” And, while pretending to be a farmer, she listened as an angry stranger threatened to kill Tash Peterson – without realizing that the “farmer” he was talking to was, in fact, Tash Peterson in disguise. But there’s one thing that’s stayed solid and stable through it all: Tash’s belief in pushing for change, even when it’s uncomfortable or even dangerous. And there are important lessons for us all in her story. Give this one a listen, and give Tash and Jack some support! – Follow Tash: IG: https://www.instagram.com/tash.peterson/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@vganbooty Facebook public figure page: https://www.facebook.com/vganbooty Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/vganbooty69 XTwitter: https://x.com/vganbooty TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tash.peterson Threads: https://www.threads.net/@tash.peterson Links: tashpeterson.bio Email: tashvganbooty@gmail.com – The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-20:50 Intro, Tash’s interactions with haters, insights on Tash’s legal cases & convictions, the demonstration after a restaurant banned all vegans, & tough decisions an activist makes when criminally charged Chapter 2) 20:51-32:21 Public defenders in the US & the equivalent in Australia, Tash’s feelings on continuing to protest, online support compared to in-person support, & take action when you find your calling in the movement Chapter 3) 32:22-43:05 Hardest thing for Tash in these legal cases, the Backlash Effect in social justice movements, & how Jack (Tash’s partner) is handling legal casesChapter 3) 43:06-49:41 Outrageous details of the defamation cases against Tash in Australia, & criminal cases compared to civil cases Chapter 4) 49:42 -1:01:36 No freedom of speech in Australia, lawyers & the media making false statements about activists, & why people believe/spread false information Chapter 5) 1:06:37-1:21:28 What next in Tash’s activism, unexpected outcome during a new kind of outreach video, how Tash handles negative comments & death threats, & meditation Chapter 6) 1:21:29-1:30:15 Final thoughts: an ongoing legal mistake (a criminal conviction without pleading or trial) against Tash, problems with bureaucratic systems, & support/follow Tash on social media (links above) Chapter 7) 1:30:16-1:30:31 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “Letter from Birmingham Jail” by Martin Luther King Jr. (PDF) https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/letter-from-birmingham-jail “The Path of Most Resistance: A Step-by-Step Guide to Planning Nonviolent Campaigns” by Ivan Marovic (PDF) https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/path-resistance-step-step-guide-planning-nonviolent-campaigns/  “The Trial” by Franz Kafkahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial

Leah Garcés has convinced numerous factory farms to give up the business of killing animals and transition to plant-based agriculture. And shares the secrets to this remarkable work in this conversation.  - More on Leah’s books: “Transfarmation: The Movement to Free Us from Factory Farming”(new release on 9/17/2024): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/757628/transfarmation-by-leah-garces/  “GRILLED: Turning Adversaries into Allies to Change the Chicken Industry” (released on 9/3/2019): https://mercyforanimals.org/grilled/  Follow Leah, Transfarmation, and Mercy for Animals - links below. – The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! – Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-18:38 Intro, how Leah builds relationships with adversaries, meeting farmer Craig Watts & others in the industry, & communicating about the system Chapter 2) 18:39-29:45 Meditation & self-care practices, Leah going on a silent meditation retreat, & finding perspective as an activist Chapter 2) 29:46-36:00 Leah’s emotional journey as an activist & advice to other activists Chapter 3) 36:01-51:52 Beginning The Transfarmation Project (link below) & farmers stuck in the system Chapter 4) 51:53-1:01:56 Farmers finding The Transfarmation Project, communication with farmers, & activists’ self-judgment & judging other Chapter 5) 1:01:57-1:14:26 Leah bearing witness to chickens on farms/warehouses, Leah meeting slaughterhouse workers, moral injuries of workers, & the public view of domesticated animals Chapter 6) 1:14:27-1:18:24 Empathy for farmers trapped in the animal agriculture system Chapter 7)  1:18:25-1:24:47 The Faaborg Family Transfarmation from pig farming to mushroom farming in Iowa (NYT article link below), Wayne’s last non-vegan meal,  Chapter 8) 1:24:48-1:27:03 Final thoughts: Leah advice to activists, buy Leah’s book (links below), & follow The Transfarmation Project & Mercy for Animals (links below) Chapter 9) 1:27:04-1:27:20 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — NYT article: “Life After Factory Farming: 'The Longer They're Out, the Happier They Are.’” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/climate/factory-farming-transfarmation-project.html  — Follow Leah:  Website: https://leahgarces.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leahgarces/  XTwitter: https://x.com/leah_garces  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leah.garces  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahgarces/  — Follow The Transfarmation Project: Website: https://thetransfarmationproject.org/  Links: https://linkin.bio/thetransfarmationproject/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetransfarmationproject/  XTwitter: https://x.com/transfarmations  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheTransfarmationProject Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheTransfarmationProject  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thetransfarmationproject/  – Follow Mercy for Animals:  Website: https://www.MercyForAnimals.org    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mercyforanimals  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mercyforanimals/ XTwitter: https://x.com/MercyForAnimals  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mercyforanimals_us  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mercyforanimals  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@mercyforanimals  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mercy-for-animals  – Books Mentioned: “The Body Keeps the Score” by Bessel van der Kolk “Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker

Trump is right. They’re eating the pets! - Follow Wayne: YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_⁠ Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/⁠ - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Donald Trump’s wild allegation: they’re eating the pets Chapter 2) 02:14 The origins of Trump's claim Chapter 3) 09:42 Trump was technically wrong, but we ARE eating the pets Chapter 4) 17:30 What this means for American politics Chapter 5) 19:46 Final thoughts, and share your own thoughts Chapter 6) 21:33 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

The path to victory in the Presidential debate is… animal rights? I break down the opportunities and threats for the candidates – and animal advocates – with former NPR journalist Jeremy Loeb.  - Follow Jeremy: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/ XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy  Follow Wayne: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/  - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:21 Intro, what may happen (& should happen) during the 9/10 Presidential Debate & details in the Democratic Party’s platform Chapter 2) 9:22-18:44 On Wayne’s mayoral campaign in 2020, politicians need to authentically talk about animals, & Cory Booker’s response on veganism in 2019 Chapter 3) 18:45-28:21 Will the candidates talk about animal agriculture’s environmental impacts, mainstream media’s lack of animal rights coverage & how humanity is causing of the Sixth Mass Extinction Chapter 4) 28:22-39:55 How the UN (& others) report environmental information about animal agriculture, showing courage: politicians compared to activists, & how the candidates will talk about violence against animals & how activists should respond to it  Chapter 5) 39:56-48:54 On Trump & Biden’s debate, why Jeremy & Wayne will vote for Harris, & criticism of Harris as a prosecutor Chapter 6) 48:55-57:08 Politicians’ catching up to public opinions, what Jeremy is looking for during the debate, more on Trump’s incoherent responses, & RFK wanting to be on the ballot only in swing states Chapter 7) 57:09-1:06:11 What Wayne is looking for during the debate, a brief cameo of Oliver, on presidential companion animals, & publicly calling out the presidential candidates on animal cruelty Chapter 8) 1:06:12-1:18:37 Publicly calling out politicians on animal cruelty after the election, school shooters connected to animal cruelty, & on having dog & cats as companion animals Chapter 9) 1:18:38-1:21:53 Final thoughts: review of what to look for during the Presidential Debate, share this show, please vote, take action for animals, & subscribe to Jeremy’s YouTube channel & Wayne’s YouTube channel (links above) Chapter 10) 1:21:54-1:22:10 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis.