The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

What happens when a joyous vegan enters the disturbing halls of an industrial factory farm?  Jamie Logan is what I’d call a joyous vegan. Her activism is filled with warmth and humor, even as she speaks strongly for animal rights. I had her on the show because of a recent change in her activism: she has started going undercover into factory farms, witnessing things that are anything but joyous.  How does she manage the tension between joy and anger? How does she find peace while witnessing things that no one should witness? We discuss in the latest episode.  — Akin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S6hiq0EXjk Allied scholars tour: https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSF_6fJN6P/?img_index=1 Vegan fashion show: https://www.instagram.com/p/DBd07Y7JQrf/ Rather go naked than wear leather: https://www.instagram.com/p/C_1Y5zEJ8EG/?img_index=1 Fishing demo: https://www.instagram.com/p/C_xoeK3pWLr/?img_index=1 Pig crate art installation: ​​https://www.instagram.com/p/C_rJgGfpAz2/?img_index=1  Down with dairy art campaign: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAtKBMNJYes/ Yale disruption: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAcIA38JnLC/  JIVAMUKTI YOGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLf_m8oyEto Charlie the (mechanical) cow: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAwD_JZpWo7/?img_index=3 — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:19 Intro, Jamie is doing so much activism for animals, details of the investigation with the “AKIN” documentary in the UK, & a transition in Jamie’s activism Chapter 2) 16:20-24:37 Jamie on investigating the pig farm, other undercover investigators, & the importance of animal rescue Chapter 3) 24:38-35:00 Animal rights activism with controversial art (Speciesism WTF, 269, Dan Dunbar) Chapter 4) 35:01-48:40 Risks of doing investigations & where/why investigations are happening Chapter 5) 48:41-59:47 How Jamie continues to stay positive & doing animal rights activism at colleges Chapter 6) 59:48-1:25:08 Fishing exhibition/demonstration (post link above), & Jamie on self-care through yoga & spirituality Chapter 7) 1:25:09-1:36:32 Wayne on Buddhism, Jamie on being a better person, what an important investment is, how Jamie continues to do activism, & follow Jamie (links below) Chapter 8) 1:36:33-1:36:48 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Jamie: https://www.itsjamiescorner.com  https://www.facebook.com/jamie.kurtzer  https://www.facebook.com/itsjamiescorner/  https://www.instagram.com/itsjamielogan/  https://www.instagram.com/itsjamiescorner/  https://www.instagram.com/jsykpodcast/  https://x.com/itsjamiescorner  ​​https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjamiescorner?lang=en  https://www.youtube.com/@JamiesCornershow  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-logan-5232b233/  https://www.threads.net/@itsjamielogan  Follow Speciesism WTF: https://www.instagram.com/speciesism.wtf/  https://www.threads.net/@speciesism.wtf  https://www.facebook.com/speciesism.wtf  https://x.com/speciesismWTF  Follow Animal Justice Project: https://www.animaljusticeproject.com  https://www.facebook.com/animaljusticeproject  https://www.instagram.com/animaljusticeproject  https://www.twitter.com/ajpReact  ​​https://www.tiktok.com/@animaljusticeproject?lang=en  https://www.youtube.com/@AnimalJusticeProject https://www.linkedin.com/company/animal-justice-project/  https://www.threads.net/@animaljusticeproject

Pnut, a rescued squirrel seized and killed by the New York State Police, played a shocking last minute role in the election of Donald Trump. What does this mean for the future of animal rights? I discuss with Jeremy Beckham.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-14:25 Intro, backlash against Trump from the animal rights movement, interest on social media about Pnut the squirrel, the growing base of the Republican Party Chapter 2) 14:26-25:41 The growing base of the Republican Party, failures of the mainstream Democratic Party, government failures on rabies & Covid, & both political parties lie Chapter 3) 25:42-36:55 The culture problem in politics & media, the Left going after Joe Rogan, Bernie Sanders, and Ezra Klein, & the Democratic Party establishment not understanding the working class Chapter 4) 36:56-47:56 Thoughts on Biden and Trump administrations’ views towards animal issues and other issues, & perspective on animal rights activism and politics Chapter 5) 47:57-1:06:40 Democratic Party communication failures with the public, political identity inside or outside the political establishment, & Obama’s early grassroots activism Chapter 6) 1:06:41-1:16:40 The rare times Trump tells the truth, the danger of Trump’s lies, & on concerns about deportation Chapter 7) 1:16:41-1:30:06 Elections that turned against the Democratic Party, on symbolic political changes, on traditions/history/the“Americana” zeitgeist Chapter 8) 1:30:07-1:34:13 Final thoughts: What all activists can do to over the next 4 years to create a better country Chapter 9) 1:34:13-1:34:28 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books mentioned: “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream” by Barack Obama —Follow Jeremy Beckham: https://twitter.com/JeremyBeckham  https://www.instagram.com/j.s.beckham/  https://www.facebook.com/slcvegan  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsbeckham/  Follow Utah Animal Rights Center (UARC): https://www.facebook.com/utahanimalrights  https://twitter.com/UARC  https://www.instagram.com/utahanimalrights/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/utahanimalrights/about/

Numerous pro-animal initiatives lost at the ballot box – in some cases, by huge margins. I break down what happened with Natalie Fulton at Pro-Animal Future, and how the animal rights movement will bounce back. — Follow Pro-Animal Future: https://ProAnimalFuture.org https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Follow Natalie: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton  patreon.com/nataliefulton  https://nataliefulton.substack.com/  https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/  https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton  https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton  https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26   — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!

“Presidential elections don’t matter.” This is the controversial proposition I take up with Vegan Gains, days before the vote. And we reach some surprising points of agreement by the end of the conversation.  — Follow Vegan Gains: https://www.patreon.com/vegangains  https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/  https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains  https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial  https://www.twitter.com/VeganGains  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!

A recent undercover investigation exposed the use of Judas Sheep – adult sheep trained to betray lambs and lead them to slaughter. But the concept of the Judas Sheep has implications far beyond the walls of a slaughterhouse. Indeed, there are Judas Sheep – politicians corruptly acting on behalf of the powerful – leading our entire nation to self-destruction. How do we overcome the problem? — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-6:24 Intro: the feelings of betrayal, what is the Judas Sheep, & the DxE investigation at Superior Farms in Denver Chapter 2) 6:24-10:06 The betrayal in the American political system Chapter 3) 10:07-18:35 What the problems are in the American political system Chapter 4) 18:36-24:27 How society needs to change to be better, interest in the election, find your voice for the animals, & what’s happening soon  Chapter 5) 24:28-24:43 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Chart: "The Productivity–Pay Gap" (Economic Policy Institute) https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ — Follow Pro-Animal Future:https://ProAnimalFuture.orghttps://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 309!https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/ Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 308!https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/

The Democratic Party in Denver has accused animal rights of racism for advocating against the slaughter of animals. Workers of color, they say, will be negatively affected. Natalie Fulton and I discuss how to respond to these allegations - and what this incident shows us about the “high conflict personalities” who have taken over our political system. — Phone banking: https://connectforanimals.com/group/1693590764695x127770678678802430 Donation: https://proanimal.org/donation/ Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 309! https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/   Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 308! https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/  (More links below.) — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-18:39 Intro, Denver Slaughterhouse Ban ballot initiative & Denver Fur Ban ballot initiative voting on November 5th, Democratic Party politics in Denver, & media publishing lies about the ban & activists Chapter 2) 18:40-29:12 Activists & the media, centering the cruelty against animals during the ballot initiative campaigns, & handling with lies/personal attacks Chapter 3) 29:13-40:14 Disillusionment with the Democratic Party & learning during the Denver Ballot Initiative campaigns Chapter 4) 40:15-45:59 how some activists “support” Tr*mp, how the American Constitution should be changed with each generation, & how electoral college voting should change Chapter 5) 46:00-1:01:39 Enforcing the laws we have, the “what if it were dogs” argument, how individuals/organizations speak against animal rights, & on climate change & transportation Chapter 6) 1:01:40-1:06:52 On politics of both parties & the political system, phone bank for the Denver Slaughterhouse Ban at proanimal.org/phonebank, & vote on November 5th Chapter 7) 1:06:53-1:07:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, Chloe Leffakis, & Jeremy Loeb — Follow Pro-Animal Future: https://ProAnimalFuture.org https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Follow Natalie Fulton: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton  patreon.com/nataliefulton  https://nataliefulton.substack.com/  https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/  https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton  https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton  https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26   —Books/articles mentioned:“A ‘war on factory farming’ begins with proposed Denver slaughterhouse ban, and immigrant workers may be the first casualties” by Kyle Harris https://denverite.com/2024/10/24/denver-measure-109-immigrant-workers-vegan-activists/  NPR/PBS: “Denver voters prepare to decide the fate of the city’s only slaughterhouse” by Andrea Kramar https://www.rmpbs.org/blogs/election-2024/denver-slaughterhouse-309  https://www.instagram.com/p/DBj7t4ITDdh/?img_index=1  Ranked-choice voting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States  National Popular Vote Interstate Compact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact  Science magazine: “Exceeding 1.5°C global warming could trigger multiple climate tipping points” https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950  PNAS: “The global biomass of wild mammals”  https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204892120  “5 Types of People Who Can Ruin Your Life: Identifying and Dealing with Narcissists, Sociopaths, and Other High-Conflict Personalities” by Bill Eddy “Conflict Is Not Abuse: Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of Repair” by Sarah Schulman “The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence” by Gavin de Becker

Five takeaways from the dramatic evidentiary hearing that happened this week in our attempt to appoint a special prosecutor to charge Ridglan Farms with animal cruelty. - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! Chapter 1) 00:00-7:07 The First Takeaway from the October 23rd Evidentiary Hearing to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms in Wisconsin: powerful testimony from whistleblowers that worked at Ridglan Farms Chapter 2) 7:08-10:09 The Second Takeaway: informative testimony from many experts on dogs about normal/abnormal behavior & living conditions Chapter 3) 10:10-14:19 The Third Takeaway: the state & federal government have repeatedly failed to enforce animal cruelty laws against Ridglan Farms Chapter 4) 14:20-15:56 The Fourth Takeaway: Wayne’s testimony about investigating Ridglan Farms & rescuing Julie from Ridglan Farms in 2017  Chapter 5) 15:57-17:53 The Fifth Takeaway: the judge is taking this case seriously, you can take action to help protect the dogs at Ridglan Farms at https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan, & thank you all for the amazing support!  Chapter 6) 17:54- 18:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Trump and Harris both support the mass killing of dogs. But there’s an effective science-based strategy for getting them – and all the other political elites – to change — Sign up to join the Ridglan Case Support chat (& find link to sample social media posts for 10/23): https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:18 Intro: feeling the pressure of the Ridglan Evidentiary hearing on 10/23, the evidence to be presented, authorities not protecting dogs, & the political bipartisan consensus on dogs Chapter 2) 4:19-13:23 Government funding useless lab experiments on dogs & why politicians don’t create change Chapter 3) 13:23-21:54 How movements can create power & change Chapter 4) 21:55-27:09 How to convince politicians to stop the mass killing of dogs, & how you can help save the dogs at Ridglan Farms (https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan) Chapter 5) 27:10-27:26 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Wayne & Dane4Dogs IG: https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/  XTwitter: https://x.com/waynehhsiung  IG: https://www.instagram.com/dane4dogs/  FB: https://www.facebook.com/Dane4Dogs — Previous podcast episodes mentioned:“Can We Rescue 60,000 Tortured Dogs? (Episode 16)”https://youtu.be/z1t_J9hMuaw  “Duncan Watts - It’s A ‘Small World’ After All” https://www.simpleheart.org/episodes/duncan-watts  “He Wants To Argue About Gaza. Here’s Why We Shouldn’t. (w/ Richard Burgess, aka Vegan Gains) (Ep.46)” https://youtu.be/HAMBNYvmO3Q?si=5IUYvpIHguotlnPC  — The Simple Heart Substack blog posts mentioned: “How To Stop Trump From Killing Dogs” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-to-stop-trump-from-killing-dogs  “The Government Cover-Up of the Torture of 60,000 Dogs”https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/the-government-cover-up-of-the-torture  “Why cover-ups backfire” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/why-cover-ups-backfire  “How the Average Inmate Can Be More Influential than Oprah” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-the-average-inmate-can-be-more  “How to find community in a disconnected world” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-to-find-community-in-a-disconnected  Books/Articles Mentioned: “Change: How to Make Big Things Happen” by Damon Centola "Collective dynamics of 'small-world' networks" by Damon Centola & Steven H. Strogatz (Nature, 1998) https://www.nature.com/articles/30918 (Abstract of article)

Has Vegan Gains gone intersectional? Richard and I discuss the merits of bringing multiple causes – from #MeToo to #FreePalestine – under the banner of a single social movement. — Follow Vegan Gains Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:17 Intro, opinions on current issues, & outcomes of disruptions Chapter 2) 10:18-29:03 Wayne confronts Richard about intersectionality Chapter 3) 29:04-58:21 Richard response & violent vs nonviolent resistance movements  Chapter 4) 58:22-1:06:44 Purity tests of being in the vegan/animal rights movement Chapter 5) 1:06:45-1:26:52 Wayne’s advice to Richard, Richard on vegan intersectionalists, & not banning people from the movement Chapter 6) 1:26:53-1:39:50 Nations/state systemic violence against animals & hate speech vs disagreements Chapter 7) 1:39:51-1:44:30 Final thoughts: how Wayne & Richard agree/disagree, & future podcasts guests & discussions Chapter 8) 1:44:31-1:44:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —  Books mentioned: “Civil Resistance: What Everyone Needs to Know” by Erica Chenoweth https://www.ericachenoweth.com/research/civil-resistance-what-everyone-needs-to-know  “The Path of Most Resistance: A Step-by-Step Guide to Planning Nonviolent Campaigns” By Ivan Marovic https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/path-resistance-step-step-guide-planning-nonviolent-campaigns/  — Movies mentioned: Joker (2019) Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)

A ban on animal slaughter is on the ballot in Denver. And the fiercest opposition is coming from… the Democratic Party. — Learn more at https://proanimal.org/ about the Denver ballot initiatives! Denver: Vote Yes on 309: https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/   Denver: Vote Yes on 308: https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/  Follow Aidan (more links below) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalaidan/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-12:39 Intro, Aidan of Pax Fauna, Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative, effective altruism, learning how to be an organizer, & thoughts on activist Roger Hallam Chapter 2) 12:40-27:54 Learning from Extinction Rebellion in the UK in 2019, activism during the pandemic, research with Pax Fauna, & outreach about animals Chapter 3) 27:55-41:17 Explaining system change to the public & more on the Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative Chapter 4) 41:18-54:55 Climate change, voting, fur banning legislation, & ballot initiative campaign fundraising comparison Chapter 5) 54:56-1:04:38 October 9th release of investigation footage from Superior Farms slaughterhouse, emotional impacts of violence against animal, negative media coverage of both ballot measures, political opposition & endorsement of both slaughterhouse ban/fur ban ballot measures Chapter 6) 1:04:39-1:21:31 ICYMI: Aidan’s disruption of a panel with Kamala Harris during ALC 2019, Kamala as a prosecutor/district attorney/attorney general, & mass incarceration in the United States Chapter 7) 1:21:32-1:41:29 Kamala & other politicians on animal rights, Aidan’s first time in jail after 2016 disruption, democratic response to Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative, information about Wayne’s mayoral campaign in 2020, how political power is being used, & the values of politicians Chapter 8) 1:41:30-1:50:20 Ballot initiative campaigns in Sonoma County and Denver, & on democracy in public and behind closed doors Chapter 9) 1:50:21-2:00:15 Aidan on victories & lessons of the Denver ballot initiatives, & final thoughts Chapter 10) 2:00:16-2:00:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Aidan Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aidan.cook.378  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalaidan/  XTwitter: https://x.com/leavemeatbehind  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-kankyoku-6a03b322b/  Follow Pax Fauna Email: admin@paxfauna.org  Website: https://www.paxfauna.org  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PaxFauna  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/paxfauna/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@paxfauna1360  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pax-fauna/posts/?feedView=all  — Books/Articles Mentioned: “Humanity” by Jonathan Glover “Animal Rights Protester Grabs Microphone From Kamala Harris” by Katy McNally (June 4, 2019) https://sentientmedia.org/animal-rights-protester-interrupted-kamala-harris-was-it-justified/  “Why I Took the Mic from Kamala Harris” by Aidan Cook (June 5, 2019) https://medium.com/@aidan_28588/why-i-took-the-mic-from-kamala-harris-d9e87fe2d2c0  Statement released by DxE  (June 2019): https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dO4FHqHL4f6btUSG4YjiAjzsHaDyuSg3O4t3VCtGl8/edit?tab=t.0   “Why Nations Fail” by Daron Acemoglu & James A. Robinson — Movies mentioned: “The Shawshank Redemption” (1994)