

The Marketing Architects
Marketing Architects
Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.
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Mar 25, 2025 • 38min
The Potential of AI Video with Seth Woodall
AI video tools have created lifelike Coca-Cola trucks, festive scenes, and even Angela's face in today's episode. These jaw-dropping demonstrations highlight how rapidly AI video has evolved and the debate this technology is creating.This week, Elena and Rob are joined by Seth Woodall, Director of AI Visual Arts at Misfits & Machines and creator of the viral "Pepperoni Hug Spot" commercial. Together, they explore the state of AI video creation, misconceptions about the technology, and what's next for marketers looking to incorporate these tools. Plus, discover why AI-powered creative techniques will become standard production methods and indistinguishable from traditionally created work.Topics covered: [01:00] The controversy behind Coca-Cola's AI holiday commercial[07:00] How Seth created the viral "Pepperoni Hug Spot" AI commercial[15:45] Why AI video expertise is hard to find in traditional agencies[18:00] Predictions for AI video quality improvements[21:30] AI tools like Comfy UI, Flux and LoRAs[26:00] Common misconceptions about how AI video is created[29:30] The democratization of high-quality video creation To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: NBC News 2024 Article: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/coca-cola-causes-controversy-ai-made-ad-rcna180665Pepperoni Hug Spot Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSewd6Iaj6I Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Mar 20, 2025 • 8min
Nerd Alert: The Dirichlet Effect: Predicting Brand Loyalty
This discussion dives into the Dirichlet model, challenging the notion of deep brand loyalty. It reveals that many consumers buy infrequently and are more influenced by brand accessibility than emotional connections. Marketers learn that expanding reach is crucial as acquisition drives loyalty, not the other way around. An eye-opening look at Coca-Cola shows that a large chunk of sales comes from occasional buyers, reshaping the way brands should approach their marketing strategies.

Mar 18, 2025 • 31min
Marketing Like a Challenger with Chuck Hengel
In Peter Field's article "Challenger Thinking is How Brands Drive Growth," he states that challenger brands aren't born just from unique founders or lucky circumstances. Challenger thinking is actually how brands grow.This week, Elena and Angela are joined by Marketing Architects founder Chuck Hengel to talk about marketing like a challenger brand. Chuck shares stories from creating and marketing HurryCane (the first walking cane to stand on its own) and Stuffies (a children's toy with hidden pockets), revealing key insights about broad audience targeting, distinctive brand assets, and why every department contributes to marketing success.Topics covered: [01:00] What defines a challenger brand[04:45] Why marketing should connect to every business function[09:00] The consumer insight that created the HurryCane[14:00] The importance of brand fame and broad mental availability[16:00] Finding and targeting the right audience for Stuffies[22:00] The power of "smashable branding" and distinctive assets To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: The Challenger Project Article: https://thechallengerproject.com/blog/2019/peter-field-on-challenger-brands?utm_source=chatgpt.com Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Mar 13, 2025 • 9min
Nerd Alert: The Multiplier Effect: Debunking Brand vs. Performance
Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob explore why the brand versus performance debate misses the point. They discover that integrating both approaches creates a powerful multiplier effect that can boost revenue ROI by up to 90%.Topics covered: [01:00] "The Multiplier Effect: A CMO's Guide to Brand Building in the Performance Era"[03:00] The performance plateau problem[04:00] Revenue ROI declines 40% when brand building stops[05:00] Brand and performance integration increases ROI by 25-100%[06:00] The best brands allocate 40-60% to brand building[06:45] Paid search is over-credited by 190% in conversions To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: WARC, Analytic Partners, BERA.ai, Prophet, & System1. (2025). The Multiplier Effect: A CMO’s Guide to Brand Building in the Performance Era. WARC. Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Mar 11, 2025 • 27min
Great Marketing Tells Great Stories
Stories capture human attention like nothing else. The best advertising doesn't just explain features, it creates emotional connections that make your message stick. When brands tell compelling stories, they're perceived as more trustworthy than those relying on straightforward product messaging.Elena, Angela, and Rob explore the science behind storytelling in marketing, from neurological engagement to the Hero's Journey framework. They discuss balancing emotional narratives with practical information in TV ads and share standout examples from Progressive's "Parentamorphosis" campaign to P&G's emotional "Thank You, Mom" ads shared during the Olympics.Topics covered: [03:00] Research supporting storytelling in advertising[05:00] Why humans naturally gravitate toward stories[07:00] Understanding the Hero's Journey framework[10:00] Balancing emotion with practical information in TV ads[15:00] Examples of effective storytelling in advertising[21:00] Testing your knowledge of iconic story plots To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Visual Storytelling in Advertising Study: https://www.arcjournals.org/pdfs/ijhsse/v7-i10/15.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.comThe Role of Storytelling in Advertising Study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338558049_The_role_of_storytelling_in_advertising_Consumer_emotion_narrative_engagement_level_and_word-of-mouth_intentionThe Influence of Storytelling on The Consumer–Brand Relationship Experience Study: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41270-021-00149-0?utm_source=chatgpt.com Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Mar 6, 2025 • 9min
Nerd Alert: Brand Awareness vs Brand Salience
Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how brand salience differs from simple awareness. They reveal why connecting your brand to multiple buying situations matters more than basic brand recognition or even brand love.Topics covered: [01:00] "Conceptualizing and Measuring Brand Salience"[02:15] The difference between awareness and salience[03:20] Why Disney masters multiple brand touchpoints[04:40] Brand attitude vs. buying behavior[05:30] How Coca-Cola builds salience through situational triggers[06:45] Using brand cues to improve mental availability To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Romaniuk, Jenni, & Sharp, Byron. (2004). Conceptualizing and measuring brand salience. Marketing Theory, 4(4), 327-342. https://doi.org/10.1177/1470593104047643 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Mar 4, 2025 • 24min
Synthetic research vs human insights in marketing
A recent study comparing AI-driven research to traditional focus groups found synthetic research is faster, more efficient, and better at spotting trends in massive datasets than human-to-human methods.Elena, Angela, and Rob explore how synthetic audiences are revolutionizing market research, from creative pretesting to consumer behavior prediction. Learn how Marketing Architects developed ScriptSooth, an AI-powered creative testing platform proven to predict TV commercial success, and discover practical ways marketers can leverage synthetic audiences to enhance their strategies. Plus, the team plays "Guess the Focus Group Fail" to highlight why even traditional research methods aren't infallible.Topics covered: [01:00] How synthetic audiences simulate real customer behavior[04:00] Why ScriptSooth took thousands of iterations to perfect[06:00] Using AI for consumer focus groups and insights[09:00] Quick wins for marketers using synthetic research[14:00] Overcoming skepticism about AI-driven insights[17:00] The future of agentic AI in marketing[19:00] Historic marketing research failures and lessons learned To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: 2025 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/content/feed/comparing-the-quality-of-synthetic-research-to-human-insights/en-GB/10209?utm_source=daily-email-intro-link&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-email-americas-subscribers-20250120 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Feb 27, 2025 • 10min
Nerd Alert: The Problem with Last-Touch Attribution
Discover the pitfalls of last-touch attribution and how it skews marketing decisions, leading to poor ad valuations. The hosts delve into game theory’s impact on marketing, presenting Shapely value attribution as a fairer method for credit distribution among various ad exposures. They discuss how publishers benefit from current models, while exploring why sometimes having no attribution could outperform last-touch strategies. Gain insights that could drive smarter marketing strategies and improve ROI!

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Feb 25, 2025 • 22min
How Category Entry Points Shape Buying
Discover how brands can stay top-of-mind by mastering Category Entry Points (CEPs). The discussion highlights the differences between needs-based and emotional triggers in marketing. Learn how major brands like Starbucks and Coca-Cola dominate their categories and the power of broad-reach media. LEGO’s innovation in creating new usage occasions shows the importance of evolving strategies. The conversation also touches on how personal brand associations shape consumer decisions, with fun examples illustrating clever marketing principles.

Feb 20, 2025 • 10min
Nerd Alert: How Media Channel Combinations Impact Performance
Discover how the right combination of media channels can supercharge brand performance. The hosts discuss fascinating research revealing why merely focusing on reach can miss major opportunities for brand lift. They define seven media mix archetypes that clarify effective strategy. Learn why customized approaches, rather than one-size-fits-all solutions, are essential for success. Plus, you’ll find out how a balanced media strategy parallels a healthy diet, emphasizing the need for diverse marketing methods.


