

The Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy
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Helping therapists on their leading edge of learning so they can help clients on their leading edge of healing. In each episode, we try to focus on parts/moments of the counseling experience through the lens of Emotionally Focused Therapy, developed by Sue Johnson. We share how we are being pushed in our growth process and things we are learning from our clients in their growth process. We are also thankful for the many EFTSupervisors and Trainers who share their learning nuggets with us to pass on to you. We invite you into a brave space as we all push our leading edges of learning and healing.
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Nov 24, 2025 • 34min
130. Stage 2 Mini Series-Caregiver Nightmares: Navigating Red-Light Reactions to Vulnerability
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
In this episode, the hosts kick off a brand-new mini-series exploring one of the most challenging dynamics in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT): red-light caregiving responses—those pivotal moments when vulnerability is met with shutdown, panic, or defensive reactivity. Drawing on real cases, supervision moments, and personal experience as EFT trainers, James and Ryan clarify the difference between “green-light” and “red-light” caregiving, unpack why these responses emerge, and offer practical strategies for therapists in the heat of high-stakes attachment moments.
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Nov 11, 2025 • 17min
129. Stage 2 Series-Hesitation and Mixed Signals in Step 6-Yellow Lights
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
Here's an engaging show description:
"Yellow Lights in Love: Navigating Hesitation and Misattunement in Couples Therapy"
In this revealing episode of the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, Drs. James Hawkins and Ryan Rana dive deep into the subtle art of recognizing and transforming "yellow light" moments in couples therapy. Learn how seemingly supportive responses can actually reinforce disconnection in relationships, and discover techniques to help partners truly hear and validate each other's deepest vulnerabilities.
Key Points:
- Understanding "yellow lights" in EFT: Moments of partial openness or hesitation
- The critical difference between reassuring and truly being present with a partner's emotions
- How self-regulation and co-regulation work together in healing relationships
- Practical strategies for therapists to guide couples from disconnection to genuine emotional attunement
Whether you're a therapist, counselor, or simply interested in relationship dynamics, this episode offers profound insights into helping couples create deeper, more authentic connections.
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Nov 5, 2025 • 22min
128. Stage 2 Series: Cargeiving Cheat Code-We Don't Want Caregiving Perspectives, We Want Caregiving Responsivness
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
"Unlock the Caregiving Cheat Code: In this powerful episode of Push the Leading Edge, Drs. James Hawkins and Ryan Rana dive deep into the heart of Emotionally Focused Therapy's Stage Two, revealing the secret to transforming vulnerability into profound connection. Learn how to tap into your body's natural bonding instincts and create healing moments of care that can reshape relationships.
Key Takeaways:
- Discover how vulnerability is the gateway to genuine caregiving
- Learn a step-by-step approach to elicit instinctual comfort responses
- Understand how somatic cues can guide partners toward deeper emotional connection
- Avoid common therapeutic pitfalls that derail emotional healing
Whether you're a therapist, couple, or simply interested in human connection, this episode offers transformative insights into how we can truly show up for each other in moments of emotional rawness."
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Oct 7, 2025 • 29min
127. Stage 2 Series: Cargiving Response - Step 6 Orientation to Green Lights
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
Here's a podcast episode description and main points:
Episode Description:
Dive deep into the heart of Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) as Dr. James Hawkins and Dr. Ryan Rana explore Step Six: Activating the Caregiving System. Learn how therapists can create transformative moments of connection by inviting partners to respond with genuine comfort and vulnerability.
Main Points:
1. The Importance of Caregiving Responses
- EFT focuses on responsiveness between partners
- Caregiving is about creating genuine comfort, not problem-solving
- Therapists must invite partners into emotional vulnerability carefully
2. Key Techniques for Inviting Caregiving Responses
- Use somatic, present-moment language
- Focus on immediate bodily reactions
- Ask specific questions that trigger instinctual care
- Maintain the same depth and pacing used in emotional exploration
3. Green Light Moments
- Recognize when a partner is ready to provide comfort
- Look for non-verbal and emotional engagement
- Create space for natural, instinctive caregiving responses
4. Therapeutic Approach
- Avoid meta-commentary or intellectual responses
- Stay attuned to partners' emotional states
- Help partners access their innate capacity for emotional support
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Sep 30, 2025 • 22min
126. Stage 2 Series: Enactments-Step 5
Delve into the nuances of Stage Two enactments in emotionally focused therapy. Discover why these enactments can feel awkward and how they aim to restructure relationships. Learn about key targets like revealing negative self-views and exploring deep primary emotions. The hosts emphasize the importance of risky revelations for healing cycles of protection and the need for partner witnessing. Practical tips abound, including timing enactments and managing emotional depth for effective connection. This insightful discussion equips therapists with strategies to foster secure emotional bonds.

Sep 17, 2025 • 31min
125. Stage 2 Series: Accessing and Sharing the Negative View of Self-Important Component of Restructuring the Bond
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
The episode focuses on working with the negative view of self in Stage Two of EFT therapy, exploring the deep, vulnerable process of helping clients confront and share their most painful self-perceptions.
Main Points:
1. Negative View of Self Characteristics:
- Goes beyond just emotions
- Represents core identity messages
- Often rooted in past traumas and attachment injuries
- Involves believing fundamental negative things about oneself
2. Stage Two Therapeutic Approach:
- Linger and excavate the deepest negative self-messages
- Use enactments to reveal core identity beliefs
- Help clients share their most vulnerable self-perceptions
- Create opportunities for partner acceptance
3. Key Therapeutic Strategies:
- Slow, careful exploration of negative self-view
- Validate and reflect deeply
- Allow partners to provide compassionate, attuned responses
- Avoid rushing or trying to immediately "fix" negative beliefs
4. Goals:
- Help clients reveal their most painful self-perceptions
- Create space for partner acceptance
- Gradually restructure negative self-beliefs
- Support healing from past relational wounds
The episode emphasizes that working with a negative view of self is a profound, delicate process requiring patience, depth, and compassionate therapeutic skill.
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Sep 3, 2025 • 33min
124. Stage 2 Series: 16 Stones-How Deep is Deep Enough-Hovering in Stage 2, Step 5
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
In this episode of "Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy", Dr. James Hawkins and Dr. Ryan Rana dive deep into Stage Two therapy, exploring the critical question: "How deep is deep enough?" They discuss the nuanced process of helping couples explore painful emotional experiences and turn over metaphorical "stones" of past trauma and attachment injuries. Top Points:
Stage Two Depth Requires Repetition
Re-engagement for withdrawers typically takes 3-9 sessions
Therapists must repeatedly explore painful experiences
Build momentum from session to session
Key Stage Two Strategies
Enter difficult conversations from a positive foundation
Use scene-setting techniques to evoke deeper emotions
Convert individual pain into co-regulation opportunities
Exploring "Stones" (Painful Experiences)
Look for deepest fears
Uncover negative self-views
Explore barriers to seeking comfort
Address attachment injuries, trauma, marginalization experiences
Critical Therapeutic Approach
Walk with clients through their emotional "basement"
Help clients build confidence in facing difficult memories
Ensure partners can provide comfort in vulnerable moments
Create "experiential bridges" for future emotional support
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Aug 27, 2025 • 28min
123. Stage 2 Series: Step 5-The D.A.Ms We Believe
Dive into the powerful concepts of Deadly Attachment Messages (DAMs) in therapeutic work. Learn how these painful beliefs shape protective behaviors in relationships. Explore methods to help clients confront their deepest fears through immersive techniques. Understand the transformative role of the therapist's presence in guiding clients to navigate their emotional darkness. Tune in for practical tips that empower professionals to deepen their practice and foster genuine connections.

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Aug 19, 2025 • 41min
122. Stage 2 Series: Building the Bridge Into Stage 2
Dive into the intricacies of transitioning clients from stage one to stage two of emotionally focused therapy. Discover the importance of creating a safe environment and the unique characteristics of stage two, including pacing and intimacy. The hosts share practical strategies, from informed consent to session-by-session orientations. Using sports metaphors, they illustrate the concept of training emotional 'muscles.' Explore real-world examples of how vulnerability work unfolds, ensuring clients feel secure throughout their journey.

Jul 30, 2025 • 31min
121. Special Contributor George Faller: Pivoting with Purpose: Navigating Openness in EFT
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
Join Dr. James Hawkins, Dr. Ryan Rana, and special guest George Faller as they dive deep into the art of therapeutic pivoting. Discover how skilled therapists navigate moments of client openness, transform interventions, and create powerful therapeutic breakthroughs beyond traditional block management. Show Notes:
Explore the nuanced concept of clinical pivoting in Emotionally Focused Therapy
Learn how to recognize and leverage moments of client openness
Understand the importance of intentional therapeutic decision-making
Insights from experienced EFT trainers on reading client emotional states
Practical strategies for deepening therapeutic connections
Key Takeaways:
Pivoting isn't just about managing blocks; it's about creating opportunities
Attunement drives therapeutic intervention choices
Therapists can become more intentional by understanding their moment-to-moment decision-making
Special Announcement: Join the presenters at the SV Focus Lab, September 11-13, 2025, in Fayetteville, Arkansas (hybrid event) to dive deeper into these concepts! Recommended for: EFT therapists, counselors, and relationship specialists looking to enhance their clinical skills and therapeutic flexibility.
Link for $50 discount to Focus Lab https://www.svfocuslab.com/leadingedge
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!


