

The Next Level
The Bulwark
Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com
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Sep 10, 2023 • 57min
Bizarre Politics (with Andrew Zimmern)
Andrew Zimmern, former host of Bizarre Foods, joins Tim to discuss how food relates to immigration and climate, his journey to sobriety, growing up with two gay dads, and the future of alternative meat. Not a foodie? Don't worry, we promise there's lots of political analysis to whet your appetite!
ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 4. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ

Sep 8, 2023 • 24min
C-SPAN Secrets: And the deplorables of the week (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Sarah and JVL drop the news that TNL is taking over CSPAN on Saturday morning. They talk about Nikki Haley’s second look. America’s SpaceX problem. And the secret history of “Gay Obama.”
It’s total, nonstop action.
Don’t miss Sarah, Tim, and JVL on C-SPAN on Saturday morning at 9am in the East.
The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret.

Sep 6, 2023 • 50min
Old Man Biden
How concerned voters are toward Joe Biden's old age might be the biggest determining factor to whether he beats Donald Trump in 2024; and Tim got into it with FiveThirtyEight founder Nate Silver over how much the liberal media is covering it.
Plus, the GOP is trying to decide whether to shutdown the government or impeach Biden, and Elon Musk claims the Anti-Defamation League is the reason X/Twitter's profits are so low.
ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 4. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ

Sep 1, 2023 • 21min
Stupid Culture Wars (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
You should be alarmed.
The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret.
NOTE: There is no Sunday show interview this week because of Labor Day weekend. They will return next week!

Aug 30, 2023 • 45min
It's All Bad and We're All Doomed
One week after the first GOP debate, nothing has changed and Trump is still dominant. Plus, conservative pundits now say Trump will get more Black votes because he has a mugshot, and DeSantis heads to Florida to deal with two tragic events. Sonny Bunch subs in for Sarah to discuss!
View the Biden and DeSantis picture here: https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/il47u4/picture266923026/alternates/FREE_1140/AP22278716941078.jpg
ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 6. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@bulwarkmedia

Aug 27, 2023 • 27min
Resisting Progressive Pressure (with Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez)
Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez pulled off a surprise win against Republican Joe Kent in the 2022 midterms, and since entering Congress has made a name for herself as a truly moderate Democrat.
Tim asks her about progressives calling her a "Kyrsten Sinema wannabe" for her vote against student loan forgiveness, as well as the Democratic Party's struggles with working class, rural voters, and the congresswoman's prior career in auto repair.
Watch Tim interview Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez here: https://youtu.be/ML2qd-ik3hA

Aug 25, 2023 • 30min
The Debate and the Surrender (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
The podcast covers the debate between Nikki, Ron, and Vivek, as well as Trump's mugshot. They discuss fundraising strategies, Trump's gradual mainstream acceptance, lack of substantive questions in debates, analyzing a campaign memo, evaluating debate performance, and comparing Vivik and Desantis while critiquing Desantis' response.

Aug 24, 2023 • 23min
Live Post-Debate Reaction (with Tom Nichols and Ben Smith)
Commentator Tom Nichols and political analyst Ben Smith join Tim and JVL to share their thoughts on the participants' performances in a recent GOP debate, discuss differing views on a candidate's performance, criticize Fox News coverage, and explore historical opposition and isolationism in the Republican party.

Aug 23, 2023 • 46min
She's Not Like Other Debates
The gang talks the stakes for the GOP presidential candidates not named Donald Trump who qualified for the first primary debate on Fox News.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/V93uXEDayto

Aug 20, 2023 • 50min
The Women Who Took on Trump (with Robbie Kaplan)
Robbie Kaplan, the lawyer who represented E. Jean Carroll in her civil suit against Donald Trump, joins Tim to discuss her win against the former president for sexual abuse. She also gives her opinion on the current indictments against Trump, including which one could go to trial before the 2024 election, and her Supreme Court case that helped pave the way for marriage equality.
Watch Tim interview Robbie on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/atasEPqnzA4