

The Next Level
The Bulwark
Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com
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Jul 14, 2023 • 18min
What Is "Real"? (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Secret Podcast Preview: The weird disconnect between the vibes the actual real state of the economy.
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Jul 12, 2023 • 56min
DeSantis DeSpirals Downward
The key whistleblower the GOP has been touting as a smoking gun against President Biden, along with his son Hunter, has been charged with failing to register as a foreign asset for China. And Tucker Carlson plans to host a forum without Trump. Will it do anything to save DeSantis' floundering campaign?
Plus, what do Trump 2016-Biden 2020 voters think of the state of the country? Will they be Trump 2024 voters soon? Sarah gives some Focus Group insight to the gang.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkpFXXUSQAk
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Jul 9, 2023 • 59min
You Don't Gotta Hand it to White Nationalists (with Alex Edelman)
Hot comedian on the rise Alex Edelman joins Tim to discuss his show, Just for Us, and its debut on Broadway, alongside Judaism, white nationalism, comedy itself, and why he's the reverse of JD Vance.
Plus, Tim and JVL discuss Hunter Biden's secret child in Arkansas, and what President Joe Biden should do, both politically and morally.
Just for Us plays at the Hudson Theatre on Broadway until August 19th.
Watch Tim interview Alex here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgSs916Utk
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Jul 7, 2023 • 27min
The Rage and Joy of MAGA America (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
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Jul 5, 2023 • 56min
Nine Imperfect Judges
Sarah is back this week to talk all things SCOTUS, as the gang breaks down this year's rulings and what they mean for the country. Plus, Ron DeSantis' campaign tries to out flank Trump to the right by arguing he's a bigger homophobe. And is Vivek Ramaswamy in a race for distant second against him?
Watch the gang record this episode on TNL's official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCs3ge_vVc
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Jul 2, 2023 • 59min
Your Sportsballs are Infected (w/ Pablo S. Torre)
Tim sits down with sportswriter and ESPN Daily host Pablo S. Torre to discuss how sports, the last unifying cultural touchstone in America, has started to be corrupted by polarization. They get into the cringy identity politics of both the left and the right when it comes to athletics, along with some NBA commentary and Denver Nuggets debate!
Plus, Tim breaks down his thoughts on SCOTUS ruling against Harvard’s and UNC’s affirmative action policies.
Watch Tim interview Pablo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_x50CSNQRw
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Jun 30, 2023 • 22min
Europe: What Is Going on in America with Trump? (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Bill Kristol sits in for Sarah today and we talked about a lot. What the 2024 election looks like from Europe; the war in Ukraine; Mike Pence; the Republican elites; No Labels; and even some Casablanca.
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Jun 29, 2023 • 11min
WTF is Happening Inside Russia? (Livestream PREVIEW)
Tim and JVL sat down with Lt Col. Alexander Vindman to breakdown the almost civil war in Russia and what it could mean for Vladimir Putin down the line. Check out The Bulwark's YouTube channel to watch the full conversation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVMS2rgaA0
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Jun 28, 2023 • 52min
All the Phonies Hit the Floor (with Joe Perticone)
Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Trump might not be the strongest candidate in 2024, but immediately walks it back as loyalists rage against him, and DeSantis' poll numbers are pathetic. Plus, Joe Perticone joins Tim and JVL to discuss reporting on the Hill and breakdown new developments with normie Republicans, the Freedom Caucus, and the Squad.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLVhcTZ0CU
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Jun 25, 2023 • 55min
Ai, Ai, Captain! (with Reid Hoffman)
On this week's TNL Sunday, Tim and JVL interview Reid Hoffman, a founding member of OpenAI, aka the creators of ChatGPT. Together they discuss how the future of humanity could unfold as artificial intelligence becomes more and more advanced. They also talk Elon Musk's venture into politics and the possible reason why he made such a choice.
Plus, Tim and JVL breakdown good Republican Will Hurd becoming the latest not-Trump candidate to enter the 2024 GOP primary.
Watch Tim and JVL interview Reid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IB2jstIhk
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