
The Next Level
Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com
Latest episodes

Oct 25, 2023 • 45min
The MAGA House Takeover is Complete
The GOP’s next speaker-designate is MAGA Rep. Mike Johnson, a major player in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election; and he may just land the job!
Plus, Jenna Ellis pleads guilty to felony charges, and the right tries to turn a White House faux pas on antisemitism into Biden’s “both sides” moment. A. B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah to discuss!
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Oct 22, 2023 • 44min
Democrats are Ready to Deal (with Rep. Dan Goldman)
Democratic Rep. Dan Goldman joins Tim to talk the mayhem in the House and what liberals would be willing to negotiate with Republicans to elect a Speaker. He also details his evacuation from Israel after Hamas' terrorist attacks and gives his opinion on the left-wing of his party outspoken support for Palestinians.

Oct 22, 2023 • 21min
A Tale of Two Speeches (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Jim Jordan and Joe Biden speak to America.

Oct 18, 2023 • 56min
MAGA Learns Chaos Isn't Always a Ladder
The disfunction on The Hill continues with Jim Jordan the latest GOP hopeful to get rejected for the Speakership by his own party. What will finally make them work with Democrats to re-open the government?
Plus, Nancy Mace's weirdness could stem from a desire to be Trump's VP, DeSantis and Haley spar over U.S. policy towards refugees (and the difference between citizens and terrorists), and JVL and Tim debate who is better: Taylor Swift or Beyonce.
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Watch the gang record this episode on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/DlPRYN-EoxM

Oct 15, 2023 • 45min
Testimony from Tel Aviv (with Blake Flayton)
Columnist Blake Flayton speaks with Tim from Tel Aviv, Israel amidst the aftermath of Hamas’ terrorist attacks. Listen to his perspective on the politics both in Israel and abroad, as well as his opinion on why thing are forever changed in the region.
Watch Tim interview Blake on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/gUsWMImJyVI

Oct 13, 2023 • 44min
Speaker Ships (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
What comes after Scalise.

Oct 11, 2023 • 56min
The New Blame America First Party
The gang talk to devastating attacks on Israel by Hamas, as well as the terrible reactions by both the left and the right. Except, of course, from President Joe Biden, who perhaps gave his best speech in office yet.
Plus, the race between Reps. Steve Scalise and Jim Jordan exemplifies the division and dysfunction in the the House GOP, and Sarah details her run in with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/sthzfSDjzQ8

Oct 8, 2023 • 59min
Mea Culpa (with Joan Walsh)
Tim sits down with former editor-in-chief of "Salon" Joan Walsh. Previously on opposite sides of political discourse, the two political pundits discuss how politics really is a horseshoe, with the radicals at both ends of the spectrum having a lot more in common than they think.
Plus, Joan talks about her new book, "Corporate Bullsh*t: Exposing the Lies and Half-Truths That Protect Profit, Power, and Wealth in America," which leads to some fun, respectful debate with Tim.
Buy Joan's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Bullsh-Exposing-Half-Truths-Protect/dp/1620977516/ref=sr_1_1?crid=194VN2D6HJJDE&keywords=joan+walsh&qid=1696618530&sprefix=joan+walsh%2Caps%2C67&sr=8-1
Watch Tim interview Joan on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/nudGe94xjYU

Oct 6, 2023 • 24min
Reality vs. Perception (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Tim is in for Sarah and he and JVL talk about the economy, unemployment numbers, and the relationship between voter sentiment and reality.

Oct 4, 2023 • 57min
Kevin Goes Home Alone & Disgraced
The GOP majority in the House is on fire as Kevin McCarthy is ousted. But will a bigger threat in the form of Jim Jordan replace him? A.B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah to discuss! Plus, a judge puts a gag order on Donald Trump as he attends his trial for fraud charges, and Tim asks JVL and A.B. for parenting advice when it comes to kids in sports!
Watch the gang record this podcast on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/JfSnp88wX9w