
The Next Level
Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com
Latest episodes

Nov 19, 2023 • 56min
The Most Fortunate are the Least Patriotic (with Scott Galloway)
Professor Scott Galloway, host of the "Pivot" podcast, joins Tim to discuss the future of artificial intelligence, ungrateful tech leaders like Elon Musk, education inequality, and his transition into a media personality.

Nov 15, 2023 • 52min
Mom, Kari Lake Keeps Touching Me!
Tim debriefs his interview with Kari Lake, who's running to be the Senate of Arizona while attempting to put some of her craziest positions behind her.
Plus, a new column gives Biden advice on how to turn his campaign around, so the gang give their own unsolicited opinions. And Donald Trump's plans for his second term are chilling, but they may be key to his defeat.
Sonny Bunch joins Tim and Sarah to discuss all this and more!
Politico column: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/13/biden-2024-reelection-challenges-strategy-00126776
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/eJ4hmFKgbbM

Nov 12, 2023 • 1h
On the Home Front (with Brianna Keilar)
For a special Veteran's Day weekend TNL Sunday, Tim interviews CNN's Brianna Keilar, whose husband is a Green Beret. They discuss what it's like to be in a military family, the current partisan political divides within the institution, and much more.
Plus, Brianna talks about what it's like to cover Donald Trump post-presidency and how she decides what stories about the aspiring authoritarian to cover.
Check out Brianna's column, Home Front, here: https://www.cnn.com/politics/homefront

Nov 10, 2023 • 38min
St. Joe's Heel Turn (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
And the Republican debate.

Nov 9, 2023 • 1h 5min
The Death of Glenn Youngkin's Career
The gang discusses Democratic wins in recent elections, the impact on Glenn Youngkin's political career, and the strategies used to attract voters. They also touch on Trump's position on abortion, curriculum controversies, and resentment towards Pete Myers.

Nov 5, 2023 • 37min
Live from New Orleans with Walter Isaacson
Tim interviews Walter Isaacson at The Bulwark's live event in New Orleans. Listen to the two discuss Walter's latest book, Elon Musk, and what it was like for the author to interact with the business magnate as he was writing the biography.
This event took place on October 25, 2023.

Nov 3, 2023 • 28min
Ron and Nikki (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
The no-shot and the long-shot.

Nov 1, 2023 • 47min
If You’re Not Michelle Obama
A new poll shows newly Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema trailing both Republican Kari Lake and Democratic Rep. Ruben Gallego in Arizona's 2024 Senate race. She also thinks adults celebrating Halloween is creepy?
Plus, the Washington Examiner's cover art depicts a radical Democratic Party that couldn't be farther from the truth, Rep. Dean Phillips' campaign against Biden is run by a grifter, and Kentucky's Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear is a model for how to win over Trump voters.
Get tickets to The Bulwark's DC show on NOVEMBER 16 at https://www.thebulwark.com/events.
This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh. Go to HelloFresh.com/50thenextlevel and use code 50thenextlevel for 50% off plus free shipping!
Watch the gang record this episode on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/CYKLzwERU-4

Oct 29, 2023 • 1h 9min
Red-Pilled (with Tom Arnold)
Actor and comedian Tom Arnold joins Tim to discuss his journey from comedy into anti-Trump politics.
He also delves into his background growing up in a white working class family, as well his split from Roseanne Barr and her embrace of right-wing conspiracies. Plus some good old fashioned GOP-bashing for fun!
And at the top of the show, Tim gives his reaction to Democratic Rep. Dean Phillips launching a presidential primary campaign against President Joe Biden.
Note: This episode was taped on October 16, 2023, prior to Rep. Mike Johnson becoming Speaker of the House.
Watch Tim interview Tom on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/POmADsZYOYY

Oct 27, 2023 • 22min
Brought to You by Johnson Phillips (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
The new speaker and the new presidential candidate.