In this engaging debate, novelist Will Self and journalist Peter Hitchens argue that Britain has lost its greatness, citing societal decline and historical failures. Opposing them, former MP Kate Hoey and politician Sayeeda Warsi highlight Britain’s multiculturalism and democratic values. The panel dives into poignant critiques of the education system, nationalism, and the evolving identity amidst both pride and shame. This lively discussion tackles whether Britain should embrace optimism or acknowledge significant challenges, encouraging listeners to reflect on national identity.

It’s the issue that’s more polarising than politics. The world is full of animal lovers but we can’t agree on which pet is more worthy of our love – the loyal, obedient dog, or the inscrutable, capricious cat. In this episode philosopher John Gray goes up against writer Will Self to debate the age old question of which animal is superior. The debate was chaired by writer, academic and broadcaster Shahidha Bari.We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be. Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2. And if you’d like to get ad-free access to all Intelligence Squared podcasts, including exclusive bonus content, early access to new episodes and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today for just £4.99, or the equivalent in your local currency . Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Gray, a philosopher, and Will Self, a writer, debate the age-old question of cats vs dogs. They discuss the impact of cats on wild bird populations, the historical role of dogs in hunting, and the act of kissing pets. They also explore the debate between cat people and dog people, discussing stereotypes and communication differences. The final vote reveals cats as the superior animal.