In this lively discussion, philosopher John Gray, renowned for his work on human-animal connections, faces off against novelist Will Self, known for his sharp wit and commentary. They tackle the age-old debate of cats versus dogs with personal anecdotes, philosophical insights, and humor. Topics range from the loyalty of dogs and their role in human companionship to the mysterious allure of cats and their existential significance. Expect playful banter on animal symbolism, the human-animal bond, and what these pets reveal about love and companionship.
34:53
forum Ask episode
web_stories AI Snips
view_agenda Chapters
menu_book Books
auto_awesome Transcript
info_circle Episode notes
question_answer ANECDOTE
Will Self's Childhood Dogs
Will Self had a difficult relationship with dogs during childhood, worsened by his family's unhappy dog.
However, he grew up with a highly intelligent dog trained by his caretaker, showcasing dogs' trainability.
insights INSIGHT
Human-Dog Symbiosis
Dogs and humans share a symbiotic relationship, benefiting each other evolutionarily.
This has led to genetic changes promoting co-existence, unlike humans and cats.
question_answer ANECDOTE
Maglorian's Privileged Life
Will Self's dog, Maglorian, enjoys luxurious treatment, including biltong and Fair Isle sweaters.
This symbolizes humans' excessive consumerism and detachment from nature.
Get the Snipd Podcast app to discover more snips from this episode
In 'The Silence of Animals', John Gray continues his critique of modern myths, arguing that humans are not rational beings but rather animals who create fictions to avoid acknowledging their true nature. Drawing on various literary and philosophical sources, Gray explores how humans decorate their existence with myths and how these fictions can lead to chaos and disillusionment. The book is a sequel to his earlier work, 'Straw Dogs', and offers a profound reflection on the human condition.
Seven Types of Atheism
John Gray
Feline Philosophy
Cats and the Meaning of Life
John Gray
Lost cat
Caroline Paul
Caroline Paul's 'Lost Cat' is a heartfelt and humorous memoir about her cat Tibia's disappearance and subsequent return. The book follows Caroline and her partner Wendy MacNaughton as they use various methods to uncover Tibia's secret life. It explores themes of love, obsession, and the bond between humans and pets.
Will
Mark Manson
Will Smith
In 'Will', Will Smith opens up about his life, sharing anecdotes from his early days in West Philadelphia, his rise in the music industry as part of DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, and his subsequent success in Hollywood. The book delves into his complex relationship with his father, the impact of his family on his life, and his journey to align outer success with inner happiness and human connection. Written with the help of Mark Manson, the book offers a blend of vulnerability, humor, and life lessons that reflect Will Smith's trademark style and larger-than-life personality.
Straw Dogs
John Gray
A philosophical work challenging conventional wisdom about human nature, morality, and the relationship between humans and the natural world.
It’s the issue that’s more polarising than politics. The world is full of animal lovers but we can’t agree on which pet is more worthy of our love – the loyal, obedient dog, or the inscrutable, capricious cat. In this episode philosopher John Gray goes up against writer Will Self to debate the age old question of which animal is superior. The debate was chaired by writer, academic and broadcaster Shahidha Bari.
We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be.
Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.
And if you’d like to get ad-free access to all Intelligence Squared podcasts, including exclusive bonus content, early access to new episodes and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today for just £4.99, or the equivalent in your local currency .
Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more.
Intelligence Squared 
