In a live conversation, Brené Brown and Vernā Myers discuss the difference between perfectionism and striving for excellence, the relationship between vulnerability and courage, performative allyship, and the importance of embracing diversity to create inclusive environments.

Vernā Myers shares her journey promoting diversity and inclusion, discussing overcoming biases and systemic barriers. She defines equity, explains unconscious bias, and emphasizes empathy. The episode explores raising empathetic children and the importance of diversity in the workplace and society.