Dan Mullaney, former U.S. trade representative for Europe, and Tobias Gehrke, a policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, dive into the impact of President Trump's tariffs on transatlantic trade. They explore Europe's potential retaliatory strategies and its significant economic leverage in tech legislation. The discussion highlights the complexities of trade wars, the need for constructive dialogue, and how current policies may reshape global economic dynamics. Listeners gain insights into navigating trade tensions amidst geopolitical challenges.

Mark Leonard chats with Tobias Gehrke, a senior policy fellow at ECFR, specializing in geoeconomics, and José Ignacio Torreblanca, head of ECFR’s Madrid office focusing on tech geopolitics. They dive into how Europe can respond to a potentially confrontational Trump administration. Topics include leveraging trade tariffs, targeting tech giants like Elon Musk, and implementing nuanced regulations to manage American influence in Europe. The discussion highlights the risks of escalating tensions and the importance of a self-reliant tech landscape to safeguard democracy.