Mark Leonard, co-founder and director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, shares his insights on China's evolving identity and influence. They dive into the shifting perceptions of China since the 2008 Olympics, emphasizing its dual approach to international relations. Leonard contrasts Chinese and Western views on global order, exploring how ideology shapes governance under Xi Jinping. The conversation highlights the importance of nuanced understandings of China's global strategies and the key thinkers contributing to contemporary discourse about its role on the world stage.

Anand Menon, Director of UK in a Changing Europe, and Mark Leonard, Director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, delve into shifting attitudes post-Brexit. They discuss a surprising poll showing over half of Brexit voters might welcome freedom of movement for better access to the EU market. The conversation shifts to public sentiment towards security collaboration, the UK's defense strategy, and how geopolitical shifts might influence UK-EU relations. The dynamic between domestic concerns and international partnership paints a complex picture for future negotiations.

In this engaging conversation, Mark Leonard, Director at the European Council on Foreign Relations, and Anand Menon, Director of UK in a Changing Europe, discuss intriguing polling suggesting many Brexit voters might welcome freedom of movement for access to the EU single market. They explore shifting public sentiments towards UK-EU relations and the potential for defense collaboration to enhance ties. With geopolitical tensions rising, they ponder whether a more flexible approach could reshape negotiations and the UK's role in Europe.