In this enlightening discussion, scholar John Vervaeke, renowned for his expertise in cognitive science, teams up with Jordan Hall, a recent convert to Christianity, to explore pivotal themes of faith. They dive into sensemaking and the intricate dance between the finite and the infinite. The conversation highlights the transformative power of rituals, the interconnectedness of different religious traditions, and the profound implications of grief and love in understanding divine relationships. Together, they challenge conventional notions of faith and urge a deeper exploration of Christianity.

Delve into the evolution of Christianity and the limitations of the scientific worldview. Explore relationality and imaginal engagement for spiritual and intellectual growth. Navigate the cultural conflict between religion and science and the importance of deep dialogue for personal and collective transformation.

Join John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall as they explore faith, Christian virtues, and the imaginal. They discuss the Trinity, interconnectedness of beliefs, wholesomeness vs. completeness, transcendence in relationships, love, collaboration, and living a profoundly Christian life. Delve into spiritual connections, relationality, and the transformative power of engaging authentically in relationships.

Jordan Hall, a recent convert to Christianity from a secular worldview, dives deep into the intersection of faith and technology. He challenges listeners to consider the role of human intent amidst the rise of AI. The conversation touches on the importance of integrating suffering into our understanding of reality and how communal experiences can shape one's faith. Hall advocates for an embodied understanding of spirituality and discusses the transformative power of confession. Ultimately, he emphasizes the necessity of intentional living in a rapidly changing society.

Jordan Hall, a philosophical thinker, dives into the logical necessity of the Holy Trinity, exploring how it informs our relationship with reality. He discusses relational vs. substance ontology, arguing that relationships are paramount in understanding existence. The conversation spans concepts like unity and multiplicity within the Trinity, as well as the implications of multiverses on belief systems. Hall critiques reductionist views and underscores the interconnectedness of all things, advocating for a narrative approach to understanding divine and human relationships.

A philosophical and technical dive with Ttchnologist and systems thinker Jordan Hall into the anthropological drivers of competition, complexity, power structures, and the role of AI in shaping a post-competitive, ”Game B” future.

Writer and thinker Jordan Hall joins Jim Rutt to discuss scaling laws, virtualization of space and communication, reaching the limits of institutional forms, tech hygiene, hierarchies of values, civiums, Jordan's journey to Christianity, the challenges of embodied community, the importance of beauty-first, the essence of the triune God, and the personal journey to believing in a personal God.

Forrest Landry, a thinker on God and choice, joins Jordan Hall, who explores difference and belonging, along with Joey S. Robinson II, a social media philosopher. They dive into the coexistence of diverse beliefs and the importance of meaningful communication in a digital age. The conversation also touches on existential risks, community connections, and the role of confession in spiritual life. They reflect on intuition's layers and its impact on our understanding of reality, all while advocating for unity among differing perspectives.

Deep thinker Jordan Hall discusses creating a more beautiful world, the importance of humility in relationships, missed opportunities for unity during COVID-19, navigating extremism, caring for the environment, technology and warfare, political manipulation in elections, decentralized digital identity, transformative nature of psychedelics, power of exponential growth, essence of design in regions, creating alternate realities, and cultural differences in Southern California and Austin.

Jim talks with John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall about Vervaeke's concept of "the religion that is not a religion"... Jim talks with John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall about Vervaeke's concept of "the religion that is not a religion." They discuss the need to create a home for ecologies of practices, Jordan and John's ongoing collaboration, the meaning crisis & our wisdom famine, meaning of life vs meaning in life, the category error of prioritizing propositions, limitations of the Axial Age religions, the two worlds mythology, a series of major conceptual involutions, the arising of social engineering, recursion & multi-part toolmaking, challenging the idea that the sacred is supernatural, the imaginal vs the imaginary, disambiguating notions of truth, defining sacred experience, the important & the dangerous, interpreting epiphanies, the ecological notion of rationality, living in the collapse of 19th-century epistemology, the Cartesian promise of certainty, defining religio & equivocation, relevance realization & fundamental connectedness, parallel interventions, the need for both meditative & contemplative practices, folk psychotechnologies, ecologies for communities, religion as the essence of culture, creating birth & death rituals, breastfeeding as religious practice, the question of scaling, creating developmental sequences & pedagogical continuity, embedding Metcalf's law, how practices that increase relationship propagate themselves, the combinatorial feedback loop afforded by shit being fucked, a final sales pitch for young men, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP143 - John Vervaeke Part 1 (of 5): Awakening from the Meaning Crisis Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - John Vervaeke (YouTube series) JRS EP26 - Jordan Hall on the Game B Emergence Return to the Source Retreats John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor, in the teaching stream. He has been teaching at the University of Toronto since 1994. He currently teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on insight problem solving, cognitive development with an emphasis on the dynamical nature of development, and higher cognitive processes with an emphasis on intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the Psychology of wisdom. He is the director of the Cognitive Science program where he also teaches courses on the introduction to Cognitive Science, and the Cognitive Science of consciousness wherein he emphasizes 4E (embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended) models of cognition and consciousness. In addition, he teaches a course in the Buddhism, Psychology and Mental Health program on Buddhism and Cognitive Science. He is the director of the Consciousness and the Wisdom Studies Laboratory.  He has won and been nominated for several teaching awards including the 2001 Students’ Administrative Council and Association of Part-time Undergraduate Students Teaching Award for the Humanities, and the 2012 Ranjini Ghosh Excellence in Teaching Award. He has published articles on relevance realization, general intelligence, mindfulness, flow, metaphor, and wisdom. He is first author of the book Zombies in Western Culture:  A 21st Century Crisis, which integrates Psychology and Cognitive Science to address the meaning crisis in Western society. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis. Jordan Hall is the Co-founder and Executive Chairman of the Neurohacker Collective. He is now in his 17th year of building disruptive technology companies. Jordan’s interests in comics, science fiction, computers, and way too much TV led to a deep dive into contemporary philosophy (particularly the works of Gilles Deleuze and Manuel DeLanda), artificial intelligence and complex systems science, and then, as the Internet was exploding into the world, a few years at Harvard Law School where he spent time with Larry Lessig, Jonathan Zittrain and Cornel West examining the coevolutio...

Exploring the challenges of reconciling traditional Christian beliefs with a modern worldview, discussing faith beyond propositions, the influence of Christianity on behavior and identity, the dynamics of reality in Trans-Paradigmatic Christianity, and the importance of multiple perspectives in understanding reality.

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Tech entrepreneur Jordan Hall delves into Game B project, discussing paradigm shifts, truth vs. beauty, and the role of faith in navigating the meta crisis. Emphasizes importance of embodiment, virtue development, and avoiding panic through deep love.

Guest Jordan Hall discusses the concept of hyperobjects, their characteristics of vast distribution in time and space, non-locality, and challenging temporal scales. Examples like evolution and global warming are explored, emphasizing the need for a transformative approach. The conversation also touches on implications for distributed cognition and the necessity of developing new modalities of understanding and interaction.

In this conversation with Jordan Hall and John Vervaeke we discuss the meaning and implications of "egregores" as described by the recent two articles on the Symbolic World Blog by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence as well as in the book "Meditations on the Tarot" by Valentin Tomberg. The question of egregores is part of our ongoing discussion about higher beings, collective intelligence, distributed cognition and principalities. We also discuss our current world, our language as a secular culture, what a solution to the meaning crisis will look like and artificial intelligence. Original video: https://youtu.be/89uP5KiP1sI - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 1 by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-1/ - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 2 by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-2/ ===================== - The Symbolic World website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com - Merch: http://www.thesymbolicworld.store - Language of Creation, by Matthieu Pageau: https://www.amazon.com/Language-Creation-Cosmic-Symbolism-Genesis-ebook/dp/B07D738HD8 Support this podcast: - Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/support/ - Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos - Subscribestar: https://www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau - Paypal: http://www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Join the conversation: - Unofficial Facebook discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298/ - The Symbolic World Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld/ Social media links: - Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson. My website designers, Anomalist Design: https://www.anomalistdesign.com/

It's finally here! In what has to be our most meta episode to date, Matt and Chris tackle the meta-philosophy / meta-spirituality / meta-science that is Sensemaking. You might say sensemaking is sense to the power of 2. But what is sensemaking, really? Well, that's a tricky question because as Jordan Hall says; no one can simply be told what sensemaking is. It is the escape hatch out of The Matrix, it is the finger pointing at the moon, it is a possibility space in an nth dimensional cube.... whatever the hell it is, some people are pretty sure it's the solution to all of humanity's problems. Exciting!So, since defining sensemaking is like trying to staple a jellyfish to a wall, it is very understandable that Jordan Hall, Jamie Wheal, and Daniel Schmachtenberger would take 2 hours and 40 minutes out of their busy schedule, and have a meta-conversation about this meta-topic, where they try to decipher exactly what this strange beast is and do some sensemaking about sensemaking. And it's even MORE understandable that Chris Kavanagh and Matthew Browne would take even longer out of their own schedules to try to analyse THAT discourse: sensemaking about sensemaking about sensemaking. Shifting to power notation for brevity, this episode is sensemaking cubed, which equals sense to the power of 4. How did we go? Well, sensemaking is like an elephant and everybody's got a piece of it. Chris is tweaking the tail, Matt's busy fondling the trunk, Daniel's inspecting the ears, and Jordan Hall is riding that bad boy, trampling poor Jamie Wheal and scaring all the monkeys. But we get there, we get there... So join us as we operate in 75 simultaneous paradigms, make not just sense but anti-nonsense, and discover what the difference really is between a puzzle and a photograph.LinksRebel Wisdom: Making Sense of Sensemaking: Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jamie Wheal, Jordan HallAlexandros Marinos & Eric's Twitter BrouhahaJonathan Pageau's angry thread on the 'arrogant secularists' at DTG and how little we know about demonologyMatt's epic tweet-a-long thread

John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall discuss the nature and impact of paradigm shifts, exploring anomalies, experimentation, and the concept of the 'imaginal'. They highlight historical examples, explore the necessity of breaking existing structures, and underscore the complexity of paradigm shifts intertwined with technical, individual, collective, and socio-cultural dynamics.

  Continuing the transcendent naturalism series, hosts John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques, along with guest Jordan Hall, explore the intersections of cognitive science, philosophy, and spirituality, offering a progressive perspective on the evolution of human consciousness and society. They critically examine the limitations of conventional thought processes, particularly in response to burgeoning global crises, advocating for a shift away from antiquated, adversarial thinking patterns. The discussion delves into the evolution of language, the practical aspects of eschatology, and a transformative phase in human development termed the 'fifth joint point.' A significant focus is placed on adopting new languages and logical frameworks, not just theoretically but also in their practical application, to cultivate a collective, positive future. The conversation uniquely emphasizes the importance of relationality and personal transformation as essential components in driving societal change.   Glossary of Terms   Transcendent Naturalism: A framework combining elements of naturalism with transcendental thinking. Fifth Joint Point: A concept referring to a significant phase transition in human development. Practical Eschatology: A term used to describe practical approaches to understanding human evolution and the future. Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook Jordan Hall: Medium | YouTube | X Gregg Henriques: Website | Facebook | X   Resources and References The Vervaeke Foundation   John Vervaeke YouTube The Religion of Tomorrow | Transcendent Naturalism #11 with Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall   Books, Articles, and Publications Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler Religion and Nothingness - Keiji Nishitani  The Silk Roads: A New History of the World - Peter Frankopan  The Emptying God ; A Buddhist-Jewish-Christian Conversation - Edited by John B. Cobb Jr. and Christopher Ives Quotes   "Language evolution is critical to understanding our collective future." - Jordan Hall "Navigating the fifth joint point requires a deep understanding of our past, present, and potential futures." - Gregg Henriques   Chapters with Timestamps   [00:00:00] Introduction to Transcendent Naturalism  [00:01:00] The Evolution of Language  [00:11:00] Practical Eschatology and Human Development  [00:20:00] The Fifth Joint Point - Navigating Future Challenges  [00:30:00] Interconnection of Languages and Consciousness  [00:40:00] Transcendence through Language and Thought  [00:50:00] Conclusion and Future Perspectives    Timestamped Highlights   [00:00:00] John Vervaeke introduces a discussion on cognitive science and naturalism with Jordan Hall and Gregg Henriques. [00:01:21] Jordan Hall introduces concepts of 'practical eschatology' and 'extended transcendent naturalism.' [00:04:52] Hall discusses the cultural split in the AI debate, highlighting societal polarization. [00:09:11] Vervaeke calls for a new relationship to language and logos. [00:14:13] Vervaeke highlights Neoplatonism and Zen's alternative linguistic and ontological approaches. [00:20:53] Vervaeke emphasizes the need for existential transformation beyond theory. [00:38:07] Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall highlight the role of transcendent naturalism in framing relationality and exploring human potential. [00:39:30] Henriques discusses developing a life-guiding operating system integrating justification systems and relational dynamics. [00:40:20] John Vervaeke introduces the idea of a new post-nominalist language to enhance collective intelligence and understanding. [00:42:07] Vervaeke explores the challenge of engaging with the world without being consumed by its ideologies. [00:45:37] Jordan Hall stresses the importance of personal and authentic relational experiences in complex modern life. [00:48:07] Hall discusses the paradox of deeply engaging with the world while maintaining a transcendent perspective. [00:52:24] Vervaeke reinterprets the concept of God within a non-theistic, relational framework. [00:55:34] Gregg Henriques shares his daily practice of reflecting on beliefs, values, and mantras to navigate life. [01:02:20] Hall and Vervaeke discuss incorporating sacredness and relationality in daily life, emphasizing re-enchantment with the sacred.

A deep dive into Jordan Hall's journey to Christianity, exploring concepts like the trinity, prayer, and sin. Discussions on the allure of beauty in spirituality, the transformative power of suffering, and the nuances of religious beliefs. Embracing divine mercy through repentance and the evolution of religious ideology from atheism to a philosophical mindset influenced by science and technology.

Jordan Hall, a visionary philosopher associated with Ivan Illich, discusses his concept of Civium and Tools for Conviviality. Topics include rethinking technology, building a resilient economy, balancing human nature and spirituality, exploring the hollow pursuit of material wealth, the relationship between religion and the transcendent, renewing human institutions, connecting to a place, and exploring sin, repentance, and personal growth.

Dr. John Vervaeke, Gregg Henriques, and Jordan Hall discuss human language, spirituality, and AI. Topics include predictive processing, transcendent naturalism, language transformation, and the implications of large language models. They explore the meta-crisis, the essence of digital media, and the theological underpinnings of future technology. This conversation offers insights into the complexities of reality and the bridging of science and spirituality.

This discussion features John Vervaeke, a cognitive science expert known for addressing the meaning crisis, alongside Jordan Hall, a thinker on complex systems. Cultural artist Jonathan Pageau adds depth with insights on symbolism, while psychologist Jordan Peterson and evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein contribute their expertise on the interplay of culture and mental health. They delve into the significance of relational healing, the philosophical impacts of ancient thought on modern issues, and the importance of community in overcoming personal and societal crises.

Jordan Hall, a speaker dedicated to seeking Truth and exploring Spirit, delves into riveting topics about societal challenges. He discusses the importance of restoring trust in a world rife with misinformation and personal reflections from his diverse career. Hall explores the meta crisis, emphasizing the need for perspective shifts amid technological advances. He touches on the struggles of the soul, highlighting transformations through personal suffering, and advocates for deeper human connections over superficial ones in our tech-driven society.

This episode is about sense-making... if you are not sick of that term yet, trust us, you soon will be.To get things rolling, Matt and Chris launch the podcast with a pair of rants. Chris vents about the lab-leak theorists who plague his mentions and Matt gets triggered by US libertarian takes on the military dictatorship apparently taking over Australia. He needs to get his thoughts out there before the secret police come and drag him away.Then we get the point (relatively quickly this time - see, we're getting better!) and leap into a truly indulgent level of sense making meta dialogue. Matt and Chris talk about a conversation between David Fuller and Jordan Hall, who are themselves discussing another conversation that Jordan Hall had with someone called Brandon Hayes.Yes, in this episode, you'll be listening to a conversation about a conversation about a conversation. It's like a podcast version of Inception, including a large amount of ponderous and ambiguous dialogue - you'll have to dig deeper, engage your sense making muscles, and it'll maybe make sense once it's all over.Anyway, so Brandon Hayes is a 'Propertarian', which appears to be an anti-semitic, ethnonationalist 'philosophy' with fascist and eugenic elements created by an odd American man called Curt Doolittle, . Cool, cool... David Fuller is raising some very legitimate concerns, and pulling Jordan Hall up on what seemed to be a rather generous and pally interview he conducted with Brandon. But it's Jordan's responses that really sparked the interest of the duo. He responds and explains. Or does he? There's a lot of reflections on the co-participatory seeking of Truth, the importance of the conversational process, the transformative nature of challenging relationships, but no real interest in the actual content of what people believe and promote. In this framing, a conversation with an anti-semite who promotes a neo-fascistic ideology becomes primarily just a stepping stone on a spiritual journey of transformative self-growth.As Jordan says, the literal content is just the superficial pitter-patter on the neocortex. But he's interested in something deeper, ineffable. The language Jordan uses is a tour-de-force in guru-esque 'sensemaking'. In a linguistic sense, he's like the bastard lovechild of Jordan Peterson and Eric Weinstein. Anyway if that sounds good to you then tune in, check it out, and if you manage to stick it out all the way to the end you are rewarded by Chris and Matt mulling over the validity of a harsh one-star review.LinksInterview featured on the Episode on Rebel Wisdom: 'Sensemaking, Gatekeeping & the Propertarians, Jordan Hall'Very good and highly critical Medium Article on the topic by David Fuller