Jordan Hall, a philosophical thinker, dives into the logical necessity of the Holy Trinity, exploring how it informs our relationship with reality. He discusses relational vs. substance ontology, arguing that relationships are paramount in understanding existence. The conversation spans concepts like unity and multiplicity within the Trinity, as well as the implications of multiverses on belief systems. Hall critiques reductionist views and underscores the interconnectedness of all things, advocating for a narrative approach to understanding divine and human relationships.
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Relational Ontology as Primitive
Relationship is argued as ontologically prior to objects or substances.
Relationship intrinsically includes relata, unlike substance ontology which presumes objects separate from relations.
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Reality Is Relationship
Reality is not object or subject alone but the relationship between them.
Objects are abstractions from relationships, so relationality is the fundamental reality.
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Trinity Mirrors Ontological Primitives
The Christian Trinity embodies unity, multiplicity, and relationality.
This triadic structure matches the ontological primitives necessary for any world.
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Jordan Hall tries to convince Jim that the reality of the Christian God is logically necessary. They discuss points of agreement & resonance between their views, relational ontology vs substance ontology, belief as mental operation vs existential commitment, a hierarchical stack of concepts, the complexity lens, the conceptual level on which relationship belongs, relata as contained within relationship, relationship as the most real, the impossibility of imagining being without relationship, oneness & multiplicity & relationality, moving from the philosophical to the theological, hypostasis, the standard model of physics, the coordination of experience with theory, dehumanizing the persons of the Trinity, alternatives to a single universe, unfolding within lawfulness, pure nominalism, the Nicene Creed, whether the Trinity adds information to complexity, whether a cosmic consciousness defies physics, the laws of causation, theology as the discipline of reality, the existential commitment that belief constitutes, fath as livingness, the meaning of a personal God, an ongoing expansion of the relationship with reality, faith vs ideology, 3 forms of belief in Plato, the meaning of pistis, John Vervaeke's religion that is not a religion, refounding life on pistis, whether one can be a Christian without thinking so, Biblical literalism, the prescriptive & annoying stuff, good fiction, great literature as a means of accessing high-dimensional reality, the mediocrity of academic Biblical criticism, and much more.
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Jordan Hall is the Co-founder and Executive Chairman of the Neurohacker Collective. He is now in his 17th year of building disruptive technology companies. Jordan’s interests in comics, science fiction, computers, and way too much TV led to a deep dive into contemporary philosophy (particularly the works of Gilles Deleuze and Manuel DeLanda), artificial intelligence and complex systems science, and then, as the Internet was exploding into the world, a few years at Harvard Law School where he spent time with Larry Lessig, Jonathan Zittrain and Cornel West examining the coevolution of human civilization and technology.
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