Jonathan Rugman, a journalist and producer of a documentary on Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, delves into the prince's extraordinary rise to power and his ambitious modernization plans for the kingdom. He discusses MBS's controversial leadership style and the implications of his cultural investments, including the infamous $450 million art acquisition. Rugman also addresses the troubling story of Jamal Khashoggi's murder and how it casts a shadow over MBS’s global image, while highlighting the influence of a new generation on Saudi identity.