In this insightful discussion, historian John G. Turner, author of "Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet," unpacks the complexities of Joseph Smith's life. He examines the evolving accounts of Smith's First Vision, revealing the cultural influences that shaped his religious narrative. The conversation also delves into Smith's treasure digging escapades, questioning the authenticity of his spiritual claims. Turner's secular perspective challenges listeners to rethink the intersections of faith, folklore, and historical evidence surrounding Smith's experiences.