Jeff Schoep

Daryl Davis, a blues musician and race-relations activist known for engaging KKK members, teams up with Jeff Schoep, a former neo-Nazi leader turned deradicalization advocate. They discuss their unlikely friendship, Jeff's journey to leave hate groups, and the power of face-to-face conversations in changing hearts. Topics include the structure of extremist movements, the importance of mentorship for reintegrating former extremists, and how modern media fuels recruitment. Their insights challenge perceptions and inspire action against hate.

In this insightful discussion, Daryl Davis, a Black jazz musician and activist, and Jeff Schoep, the former leader of a neo-Nazi organization, explore the power of dialogue in dismantling hate. Daryl shares his unique approach of engaging with extremists, emphasizing curiosity over confrontation. Jeff reflects on how his interactions with Daryl transformed his views, showcasing the struggles and courage involved in leaving a hate group. Together, they highlight core human values that bridge divides and the importance of keeping conversations open, even with those who hold opposing beliefs.

Daryl Davis, a Black jazz musician and activist, and Jeff Schoep, a former neo-Nazi leader, share their riveting stories of transformation. They delve into how curiosity can combat hate, recounting their first encounter that sparked meaningful dialogue. Daryl’s techniques for challenging extremist beliefs include motivational interviewing and finding common human values. They also discuss cognitive dissonance and practical strategies for engaging with hardline extremists, emphasizing the importance of empathy and keeping the door open for change.