The Joe Rogan Experience #2399 - Daryl Davis & Jeff Schoep
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Oct 23, 2025 
Daryl Davis, a blues musician and race-relations activist known for engaging KKK members, teams up with Jeff Schoep, a former neo-Nazi leader turned deradicalization advocate. They discuss their unlikely friendship, Jeff's journey to leave hate groups, and the power of face-to-face conversations in changing hearts. Topics include the structure of extremist movements, the importance of mentorship for reintegrating former extremists, and how modern media fuels recruitment. Their insights challenge perceptions and inspire action against hate.
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How A Bar Encounter Sparked Change
- Daryl Davis met a Klansman at a bar, became friends, and the man later quit the Klan and handed Davis his robe.
- That initial friendship sparked Davis's long practice of befriending extremists to prompt rethinking and exits from hate groups.
How A Teen Sought Out Nazis
- Jeff found extremist groups by mailing addresses listed in a sociologist's book and joined the National Socialist Movement at 18.
- He quickly rose to national leadership after committing fully and leaving his band and long hair behind.
First Meeting That Shifted A Leader
- Jeff Schoep met Daryl during filming for Accidental Courtesy and initially expected a confrontation but they connected over music.
- Their surprising rapport began the process that led Schoep to question his role as a longtime neo-Nazi leader.
