Hazel Sills, Editor at NPR Music, joins the discussion to dissect Lorde's new album, 'Virgin,' exploring her artistic evolution since her debut. They delve into the thematic shifts surrounding fame, vulnerability, and personal growth. The conversation highlights standout tracks and critiques celebrity culture through emerging artist Romy Mars. Together, they address the complexities of gender identity and authenticity in contemporary pop music, reflecting on how Lorde’s journey continues to resonate amid the pressures of stardom.