Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack and an advocate for independent publishing, discusses the platform's unique role in the media landscape. He compares Substack to traditional media, emphasizing the importance of creator-audience relationships. The conversation dives into content moderation challenges, contrasting Substack's subscription model with ad-driven social platforms like TikTok. McKenzie also highlights future opportunities for independent voices in journalism, while examining unique Substack content that reflects diverse cultural insights.

A few weeks ago, with Matt Welch bleeding out of his ears and supposedly forbidden from flying, Kmele and Moynihan hopped a plane to a post-apocalyptic hellscape called “San Francisco” to kibizt with their new benevolent overlords at Substack. Unlike the boring prigs at Patreon (whose “Trust and Safety” commissars never even returned our calls), Substack rather generously hosted the Fifth crew for drinks, drinks, some more drinks, and a live show at company HQ. In Matt’s stead, the lads called up FOTF (Friend of the Fifth - ed.) Lara “Che” Bazelon, a local law professor and communist revolutionary, and Substack co-founder* Hamish McKenzie, a reactionary publisher of fake news. They discuss San Francisco, the state of the media, the future of free speech, and much, much more. Enjoy.*Note: We previously referred to Hamish as CEO of Substack. He is, we are reliably informed, the "chief writing officer," which sounds to us like a fake job. As such, we now have significant doubts he even works at Substack and suspect he's never even been to New Zealand (which he told us “is the country where Kyle Minogue and Yahoo Serious are from”). This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.wethefifth.com/subscribe

Last week, Elon kicked off a feud with both Substack and his very own former Twitter Files ingénue (and Substack star), Matt Taibbi. Kara and Nayeema break down the battle of the bros before turning to an interview with those at the center of the storm: Substack co-founders Chris Best and Hamish McKenzie.The two address questions about Substack Notes (which Elon dubbed, and they deny, is a “Twitter clone”), the challenging business model of newsletters and their stance on free expression. Somehow, they manage to avoid uttering the name “Elon.” Kara doesn’t shy away though. Questions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find us on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack and a key player in US media, discusses Substack's bold evolution from paid newsletters to a multifaceted creator platform. He delves into the launch of live streaming, competitive dynamics with social media giants, and the significance of creator autonomy. The conversation highlights Substack's potential for transforming the creator economy while confronting challenges in content moderation and traditional media relationships. Expect insights on fostering healthy discourse and the future of journalism.

Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack and author of "Insane Mode," reveals the platform's vision of prioritizing readers as customers rather than products. He discusses the journey from journalism to building a thriving community for creators, emphasizing the dangers of sensationalism in media. McKenzie highlights Substack's mission to cultivate trust-based relationships between writers and audiences, and explores integrating multimedia to enhance storytelling. His insights are invaluable for anyone looking to thrive as a writer or creative.