Stephen Macedo and Frances Lee, political scientists from Princeton and co-authors of "In Covid’s Wake," delve into the contentious legacy of the COVID-19 lockdowns. They challenge the widely accepted narrative of lockdown effectiveness, highlighting the disproportionate toll on essential workers and the economy. Their discussion emphasizes the need for transparency in government actions and critiques the efficacy of lockdown measures. They also touch on the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, advocating for a more balanced response in future pandemics.

Join Frances Lee, a Politics and Public Affairs Professor at Princeton and co-author of 'In COVID’s Wake', as she candidly assesses the pandemic's impact on U.S. politics. She discusses how political polarization skewed crisis responses and highlights the dire implications for essential workers versus the 'laptop class.' Lee emphasizes the need for transparency and diverse perspectives in policymaking to rebuild public trust and ensure better preparedness for future crises. This insightful conversation offers a critical look at our political failures during an unprecedented time.

Political scientists discuss democratic instability, backsliding, and demagogues, focusing on threats to American democracy like minority rule, mob rule, and authoritarian behavior. They explore the impact of Trump's presidency, proposals for democratizing democracy, and the resilience of American democracy amidst challenges.