Gunner Gundersen, a faculty member specializing in biblical theology, and Esther Liu, an expert on the intersection of Scripture and life's challenges, dive into the intricacies of conflict. They discuss the emotional toll of confrontation and the importance of understanding one’s heart through grace. Gunner and Esther highlight reframing conflicts as growth opportunities while sharing practical strategies to engage with empathy and self-restraint. Their insights offer a roadmap for navigating relational challenges with compassion and faith.

Esther Liu, an author who delves into the intricate ties between shame, faith, and the gospel, shares valuable insights in this discussion. She emphasizes how shame affects self-perception and relationships, often underlining issues like anxiety and depression. Drawing from the biblical story of Adam and Eve, she illustrates the contrast between divine compassion and societal shame. The conversation also explores Peter's journey of denial and grace, highlighting the transformative power of forgiveness and the vital role of pastors in addressing shame within their communities.