Janka Oertel, head of ECFR’s Asia programme, and Camille Grand, a distinguished policy fellow, share fresh insights after their visits to Taipei. They discuss Taiwan's 'porcupine strategy' to deter Chinese aggression and explore parallels with Ukraine's resilience. Their conversation highlights Taiwan's strategic investments, like TSMC’s project in Arizona, as it navigates a complex relationship with the U.S. and China, while emphasizing Europe's role in supporting democratic allies in the Indo-Pacific.