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Beyond the battlefield: Europe’s long-term strategy for Ukraine

Jul 11, 2025
Jana Kobzova, an ECFR senior policy fellow and former foreign policy advisor, and Camille Grand, an ECFR distinguished policy fellow and NATO alum, dive deep into Europe’s long-term strategy for Ukraine. They discuss the evolving relationship between Ukrainian and European security, advocating for stronger defense ties. The duo assesses the shifting role of the U.S. in supporting Ukraine and the need for European nations to reassess their military strategies. Their insights provide a compelling glimpse into the future security landscape in Europe.
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INSIGHT

Europe's Long-Term Ukraine Strategy

  • Europe must prepare for Ukraine's medium- and long-term security beyond immediate battlefield changes.
  • Two scenarios loom: a stable Ukraine with partial control or ongoing unstable conflict with Russian interference.
ADVICE

Strengthen EU-Ukraine Defense Ties

  • Europeans should strengthen defense ties with Ukraine, even without NATO or EU membership.
  • Consider a security pact with Ukraine to maintain support and integrate defense capabilities.
INSIGHT

Ukraine Conflict Escalation and Aftermath

  • Russian aerial attacks on Ukraine have significantly increased, with hundreds of drones and missiles nightly.
  • Europe's challenges include supporting Ukraine's military needs and preparing for post-war reintegration and economic recovery.
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