Kathy Corradi, NYC's Director of Rodent Mitigation, delves into innovative strategies to combat the city's notorious rat population. Joining her is Bethany Brookshire, a science journalist and author, who explores the cultural perceptions surrounding these misunderstood creatures. They discuss the historical misconceptions linking rats to the Black Death, the ethical challenges of rat control, and the critical role of sanitation. The conversation also uncovers why our disdain for rats may reflect human biases rather than true health threats.

Jan Pinkava, co-writer of Pixar's Ratatouille, shares how he created a beloved rat hero, while Julia Zichello, an evolutionary biologist, discusses her personal experiences with rats and their nuanced behaviors. Bethany Brookshire reveals how societal views label rats as villains and examines the emotional connections people can form with them. The podcast explores the complex relationships humans have with rats, how media influences perceptions, and the underlying moral dilemmas in using these creatures for scientific research.

Bethany Brookshire, an award-winning freelance science journalist and author, delves into the complexities of how we label animals as 'pests.' She discusses the cultural evolution of this term and its ties to power dynamics and social justice. The conversation highlights how urban pests like rats symbolize broader societal issues, while proposing a shift in mindset towards coexistence with wildlife. Brookshire also shares insights on the ecological importance of overlooked species and emphasizes the need for innovative solutions that respect both humans and animals.