Freakonomics Radio
624. The Animal No One Loves, Until They Do
Feb 28, 2025
Jan Pinkava, co-writer of Pixar's Ratatouille, shares how he created a beloved rat hero, while Julia Zichello, an evolutionary biologist, discusses her personal experiences with rats and their nuanced behaviors. Bethany Brookshire reveals how societal views label rats as villains and examines the emotional connections people can form with them. The podcast explores the complex relationships humans have with rats, how media influences perceptions, and the underlying moral dilemmas in using these creatures for scientific research.
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- The podcast examines the evolving cultural perceptions of rats, highlighting their historical transition from beloved pets to vilified pests in modern society.
- Jan Pinkova discusses how the animated film Ratatouille symbolizes themes of acceptance and challenges societal biases, inviting empathy towards unconventional identities.
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The Birth of Ratatouille
The development of the animated film Ratatouille began with the concept of a rat aspiring to be a chef, which originated from Jan Pinkova's childhood memories and experiences. He envisioned a story that juxtaposed the culinary world with the unique journey of Remy, a rat who dreams of cooking despite societal norms. This concept raised immediate questions about the nature of talent, identity, and the biases faced by the characters, allowing viewers to engage with a story that addresses prejudice and acceptance. The film's successful execution led to its recognition as a groundbreaking tale in animation, ultimately winning the Oscar for Best Animated Feature.
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