Exploring internal and external perceptions through mindfulness practice, blurring the boundaries between the two. Delving into neutral vedna and its impact on ignorance. Reflecting on the elusive instruction to balance internal and external elements for personal benefit. Considering the interplay between internal and external experiences, using examples like the taste of coffee to illustrate different stimuli.
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The concept of internal and external experiences blurs as seen in mindfulness, challenging the distinction's solidity.
Exploring Vedna, neutral feelings raise questions on boredom versus equanimity, disrupting the duality of pleasure-pain.
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Exploring the Boundary between Internal and External Experiences
The podcast delves into the concept of internal and external experiences, examining how they interplay and whether their distinction is fluid. The hosts discuss the notion of observing both external stimuli and internal sensations, highlighting how the boundary between them can blur or merge. They explore the implications of perceiving 'internal versus external' and the potential for experiencing a state beyond dualism.
Inquiry into Neutral Vedna and Equanimity
The conversation navigates through the concept of Vedna (feeling tone), particularly focusing on neutral Vedna and its role in conditioning ignorance. The hosts discuss whether neutrality leads to boredom or serves as a platform for equanimity, emphasizing the gradations within Vedna experiences and the challenge of interpreting neutral Vedna. They reflect on the impact of Vedna on our perception and the potential for moving beyond the dualistic nature of pleasure and pain.
Observing Subject-Object Relations and Language's Role in Experience
The hosts engage in an inquiry regarding subject-object relationships and the influence of language on shaping our experiences. They explore the distinctions between seeing and looking, contemplating the boundary between internal and external perceptions. The conversation extends to how internal and external experiences arise and fade, prompting considerations about the framing of experiences as either internal or external, and the possibility of transcending such distinctions.
The refrain in the teaching on the Four Foundations of Mindfulness refers to contemplating internally, externally, and internally and externally. Jon and Doug talk about how they receive that part of the teaching, which doesn't appear in any obvious way in other suttas but is actually a very important part of mindfulness.